105 Model Identification

[njh1964]

Hi All,

After 20-odd years without the joy of an Alfa in my life (my first was a '74 Alfasud TI), I'm now back in the game with a 105 restoration project. So, I'm hoping someone can help me properly identify a 105 I've recently purchased. It's a step nose with a GT1300 badge on the front grille, and the seller advised that it was built in 1968.

I've looked at the chassis ID charts on this site and elsewhere, but none of those numbers bear any similarity to the numbers or the format of the numbers in my engine bay. For example, the lists seems to indicate that the chassis number should look like "105.XX". However, in my case, the number actually stamped into the metal of the firewall on the driver's side (I assume this is the chassis number?) reads as follows:

AR*12912XX* (where the asterix represents a star symbol)

There is a plain/blank brass plate attached to the firewall on the passenger side, which reads (ie no other wording or branding) as follows:

    ALFA ROMEO
     129 12XX
AR 00530 - 28XXX

The number on the second line above is the same number that is stamped onto the firewall on the driver side (ie the chassis number?), but there is no "105." anywhere to be seen.

I assume the number on the third line above is the original engine number. However, the number "5" seems to be an overstamp covering what may have originally been the number "2". Perhaps this means the brass plate was not factory fitted??

Anyway, can anyone please tell me what model 105 I have, based on the chassis number AR 129 12XX. I can fill in the last two digits if they are required.

Regards,


Nick

[Gary Pearce]

There is a self help model identification chart attached to this web site. alfaclub.org.au/modelc.htm
Go to the links above and have a look at the National site and down the bottom there is tab to a Model identification chart.

[branko.gt]

there is a pdf with serial numbers floating somewhere on the internet. If you cannot fin it i will check when i get back in the country next week.

00530 is correct prefix for the engine number for Giulia Gt Junior 13000.

[njh1964]

Hi Gary, Thanks for the response, but as mentioned, I've checked the self help model identification chart on this Web site, and none of the details in the 105 list look anything like the chassis number I have on my car. Maybe I'm just "numerically challenged"!!!

Hi Branko, Thanks for the engine number tip... it does look like the original donk was a GT Junior 1300. Someone has since dropped in a 1750cc motor. I have googled for the PDF serial number list, but no joy. If you can dig up a copy, that would be most appreciated.

[Fast Eddie]

Hi All,

AR*12912XX* (where the asterix represents a star symbol)

There is a plain/blank brass plate attached to the firewall on the passenger side, which reads (ie no other wording or branding) as follows:

    ALFA ROMEO
     129 12XX
AR 00530 - 28XXX

I'm, getting good at this...
...My recent research tells me  a 129 12XX is a 1968 1300 GT Junior. My info tells me 1967 Juniors range between 1290001-0655, 1968 Juniors from 1290656 to 1483 and 69 from 1291484 onward.  The engine ties up with a 1300 too.  Have a look at the front of it for a symbol in a circle. An "I" in a circle = 1300.

[njh1964]

Hi Edward, Thanks for that, you're a legend. The 1300cc engine has been replaced at some point. The symbol on the front of the head is a circle containing a tiangle with a dot in the centre of the triangle. I understand that this means its a 1.8lt Alphetta motor. The engine number is AR01608 S 15XXX. Thanks again to all. Cheers, Nick

[Neil Campbell]

When I wanted to find out info on my 69 GT Junior I sent a mail to ArchivioStorico@alfaromeo.com and asked them for info about my car.  A couple of days later they sent me this reply:

Dear Mister Campbell,

with reference to your request we are informing you as follows.

According to our documentation files, the chassis number AR 1292285 originally corresponds to an Alfa Romeo GT 1300 Junior RHD (105.31), manufactured on the 20th February 1969 and sold on the 7th Mach 1969 to Alec Mildren from Pymble, Australia.

The body colour is pine green, with wild boar leather skai interiors.

Yours, Sincerely,
Marco Fazio

Automobilismo Storico Alfa Romeo
Viale Alfa Romeo – I 20020 Arese (Mi)
Tel.  +39 02 444 29 115
Fax   +39 02 444 28 152
Mob. +39 334 629 53 81

[Neil Campbell]

but I guess I had the whole ID number...

[Sheldon McIntosh]

That's incredible!!

I just sent off my chassis and engine numbers, and within ONE HOUR!! (46 mins in fact) they sent back the following.....

Dear Mister McIntosh,

with reference to your request we are informing you as follows.

According to our documentation files, the chassis number ZAR 162A0003002071 and the engine number AR 0A63435 originally corresponds to an Alfa 90 Super 6C 2.5 RHD, manufactured on the 12th June 1986 and sold on the 24th June 1987 in Port Melbourne, Australia.

The body colour is metallic neutral grey.

Yours, Sincerely,

Marco Fazio

  Tel. +39 02 444 29 115

Mob +39 334 62 95 381

Fax +39 02 444 28 152

marco.fazio@alfaromeo.com

Automobilismo Storico Alfa Romeo

Centro Direzionale

Viale Alfa Romeo

20020 Arese (MI) Italy

What a brilliant service

Sorry to hijack the thread, just quite amazed by that.

[Jekyll and Hyde]

Pretty impressive for cars that were manufactured 20+ years ago - thats almost Teutonic efficiency!

Hmmmm - Maybe this is a conspiracy - Ze Germans haf taken over!

[njh1964]

As it happens, I also stumbled onto the "archivioStorico@alfaromeo.com" email address. In their amazingly prompt response, I learned that my car is apparently an "Alfa Romeo GT 1300 Junior RHD (105.31), engines series AR 00530, manufactured on the 24th October 1969". They went on to advise that "the body colour is ochre yellow, with black skai interiors". They even managed to identify the replacement engine as having originally belonged to an Alfetta GT 1.8lt.

Cheers,


Nick

[Ralfa]

Hi there, new to the forum, first post.

The archivioStorico@alfaromeo.com" email address is no longer, anyone able to provide an up to date one?

[sketchl]

Centro Documentazione Alfa Romeo
Viale Alfa Romeo, 20020 Arese (Milan) - Italy
Email: centrodocumentazione@alfaromeo.com
Phone: + 39 02 444 29 115
Fax: + 39 02 444 28 152

[Merv]

I have written to them and filled in the form but no response so far.  I wonder what they charge for this?