Club permit police check

[alanm]

Hi all,

Just thought I would let everyone know that the police are checking club permit documentation because they are aware that some people are not recording journeys in their logbook (prior to the journey).

The fine for not filling out the logbook correctly is $704

I was pulled over in Warrigal Road on Sunday afternoon. By the way, I did think that the police did their job very well.

Cheers,
Alan

[TFJ100]

Happened to a friend of mine who had inherited a classic from his recently deceased Dad and wasn't clued up on how the new system worked.

Got pinged the fine and an overdue rego. And car had to be towed home because the police wouldn't let him drive it without rego.

Torben

[Paul Gulliver]

I have often wondered about some of the particulars on this and I hope maybe one of the signatuaries for the system ( Phil Nash , Anthony Sharp) might be able to pop up on this for some clarity instead of jawboning. Whilst I have no problems with the log book and completing particulars of a trip before  use, I do have a problem with one of the  questions in the log book . That being" Particulars of use". I understand before the 45 of 90 permit system you could only use your car if you were travelling to a club event or getting your car serviced. hence you would need to demonstrate " particulars of use". But under the permit system you have limited use for either 45 or 90 days so what business is it of the police what you are using the car for. Do you need to note " the joy of driving my classic Alfa". If so how is this helping the police or the sum of human knowledge for that matter.   

[Neil Choi]

Paul

From my understanding and as a past Secretary (the poor sod who gets lots of mail and signs all the permit, see how popular I am), the 45-90 days permit now allows you more freedom to take your classic out for a drive anytime rather than like the old system, which you understand.  As you say, you have not real problem with signing the logbook.  Doesn't matter what you write down as "Particulars of Use" as long as it is not an offensive statement to the police checking ie "robbing bank" or "hooning" etc.  I did put down "out to enjoy my Alfa" once.

It is a permit so your classic is actually unregistered but has to be roadworthy. 

I too was also pulled over in a standout brilliant red Italian classic once by an unmarked police car after I took off from the lights gently and lawfully.  I had no problems, I knew what was going on, and before the police got to the window, I had already the logbook out the window.  Police made no comments.  Just doing his job, rather than catching hoons or robbers.

Doesn't answer gripe about having to sign the logbook, does it?

I also remember before the new system, a well known member was pulled over on the Hume leaving Winton and got questioned badly about his club permitted car and was almost wrongly ticketed despite having the club magazine, the sprint schedule, club membership etc etc to proof the valid use of the classic. 

So I think the new scheme is more manageable and the police are educated on its use.  As long as you sign the logbook.

Neil

[Paul Gulliver]

It is a permit so your classic is actually unregistered but has to be roadworthy

Thanks Neil,

I have a Club permit  renewal &  normal renewal in front of me now.  Daily driver renewal notes registration fee & TAC charge. No registration fee on club permit.

[Neil Choi]

Yes, no registration fee, just permit fee.  Most of it is the TAC insurance.  Plus $2 odd for the logbook.  I don't have the cost in front of me but that is my understanding.

[Neil Choi]

Hence when you get pulled over for a check and you have not signed the logbook, you are actually in fact driving an unregistered vehicle therefore copping an unregistered vehicle fine of at least $500 and more.

[alanm]

Yes Neil, that's the way it was described to me by the police yesterday.
If the logbook is not filled out for the journey you are on, you are technically unregistered (thus the big fine).

Alan

[Beatle]

Next time you sign your logbook, before taking your Alfa out on a run for no other reason than you can, on a permit, with nowhere to go except somewhere then back home......spare a thought for those of us in the rest of the country without such liberal policies.  Please write neatly and legibly 

[Paul Gulliver]

spare a thought for those of us in the rest of the country without such liberal policies.  Please write neatly and legibly 

Fair point Beetle, a bit like complaining about your mother in law. At the end of the day its not going to do you much good. However it does highlight what money grabbing bastards they are .  I have got 3 Alfas, 1 daily driver & two on club permits. I can realistically only drive one on a public roads any one time, but get to pay 3 times for the privilege.   

PS You ought to move back to Victoria   

[massiveluvbuddy67]

Hi,
To answer Paul's query I write "personal use". I have also been pulled over and had the log book checked and no issues. The key thing is to have the logbook signed for the day your are making the trip.
A brilliant system.
Best Regards
Phil

[Evan Bottcher]

However it does highlight what money grabbing bastards they are . 

Jeez Gully, life's tough.  No, not tough, the other thing!  I'm still expecting to wake up one day from the dream where we can have lovely old cars driven more days than I can drive, for bugger all cash.  If you've got enough space, you could have ten cars on club permits for a total of 450 days per year of driving pleasure, for less than the registration cost of a single fully-registered car.

I'll admit that the Swiss have the best scheme, where I think you pay per set of plates and can shift them from car to car.  But then you'd have to go and live in Switzerland.  Nice place to visit.

[Neil Choi]

Gully............

[aggie57]

Paul's driveway:  116, 105, 159, 147.......all the numbers!

[Paul Gulliver]

Paul's driveway:  116, 105, 159, 147.......all the numbers!

You missed  Tom's 156