105 engine rebuild???

[Mark Fletcher]

Hello,

I have had my 1973 105 GTV since 1980 and she is desperatleeeeee in need of a total engine rebuild.
Can anyone suggest a good place to have this done... my regular mechanic cannot do the job at the moment... I have pistons rings and liners... I am after a great job... as it needs to last me for another 27 years...

At the moment is is sitting in a workshop - head off - ready to check the bottom end... but while we are at it... lets do it properly.

while she is being worked on are there any simple mods that will give some more sparkle... valves, porting... etc...and perhaps let her run on unleaded???

I look 4ward to your advice... until then I have to drive my sons sprint...

Thanks

[Fast Eddie]

There is a handful to choose from and all advertise on this site - Maranello, PACE, Alfpa/Monza etc.  Simply pick the one closest to you as they willa ll do a top job and know where to get the replacement and / or go faster bits from.

[Ishamael]

Hi all,

I am new to this forum, so this is my first post

I was hoping to get everyones opinion on the cost of my engine recondition.

Like Mark (the OP), I have 1973 GTV 2000 105.

Living in Perth I always get my car tuned/repaired by Ciliberti Motors who have always done a good job.

I am currently getting my engine reconditioned by them, as well as new extractors, cams, engine balance etc.

I was very surprised to find the cost of my engine recondition coming to $7000, with another $3000-$4000 for the cam/extractors/etc.  I can post a complete quotation and list of repairs if anyone is interested.

Is this quote about average for a 105 engine?  Would have there been a cheaper option?

Thanks

[Fast Eddie]

Ishamael,
depends on what needs to be done and what improvements are being done at the same time (always worth considering). 
Cileberti have a great reputation for putting solid Alfa engines together but everything has it's price.  2nd opinions are always valuable so why not come down to the All Italian Car Day this Sunday @ the Technology Centre, Bentley where you ask this questio to a dozen Alfa 105 owners all of whom will have done similar.

Never consider getting this work done by anyone other than an Alfa mechanic and there are about 3-6 in Perth.

If you do make it, try and find me - Edward and i will endeavour to introduce you to the right people to chat with.
(i'll be pretty much running the AROCA WA section and be there with my black 156 GTA.

[ItalCarGuy]

Hi Ishamael,
I would love to see a breakdown of the costs. I have 4 105 engines and am deciding which will be the cheapest to rebuild once I get to that point with my Sprint GT Veloce.

[Ishamael]

Thanks Derek and Edward for your replies.

Unfortunately I am in Port Hedland until Wednesday so I will not be able to attend The All Italian Car Day at the Technology Centre

Once I am back in Perth I will be sure to post the complete quotation for you Derek

[Ishamael]

As promised here is the detailed quotation of my engine rebuild currently underway:

Description     Amount
Piston Line      880
Engine Gasket  280
Valve Guide      88
Top Chain       65
Bottom Chain   40
Spark Plugs     53.76
Points             27
Air Filter          35
Oil Filter          17
Fuel Filter        13
Headstand       468
Gudgeon Pin bushes 158.32
Main bearing            106.20
Con Rod Bearing       96.14
Bay Pass Hose          25
Carby Mounting         204
Carby gasket kit        138
fan belt                    18.78
grand crank shaft       140
fit gudgeon pin bushes 90
fit valve guide            88
Sand blast block         37
sand blast head          37
con rod                     110
Weld and machine block line bor    600
clean radiator            88
coolant                     44
Engine oil                   41.25
Steam clean top and bottom   37.50
Radiator cap                         20
Overhaul carby                     356
Crank shaft plugs                  41.34
Retreat block head stand         176
Overhaul engine                    1760
strip and reassemble all accessory under bonnet and clean     1400
face valve and seat                132
Brake fluid                             18

Total                            7929.29     


On top of this I requested bigger cams - here is the hand written quote given:
cams  1000
extractors   600
Something about 'ports' (the writing was really rough)   700
Engine balance      250
Clutch                 363
Pistons?               300

Total                   3213 (approx)   

[Ishamael]

So pretty much after budgeting for the engine recondition and panel beating, I've had to put restoring the interior on hold.

Also if anyone could help out finding a second-hand boot lid for sale (the original is too rusted out to repair), that would be much appreciated

[Fast Eddie]

theres $1400 worth of cleaning in the quote that you could save by doing yourself (although a lot easier to do with the engine out) and $600 worth of engine welding so it sounds like your engine isnt up to it to start with and you might be better off with a new (old) block.  Not sure what the $468 for headstand is.

But, other than going to one of the other Alfa specialists in Perth, Cilebertis will do a good all round job.

As for cams and extractors - there is only one source for those and they have been Alfa proven over time - PACE in Melbourne. Depending on cams you could get these and extractors for about $1200 plus delivery (and if you do, i might be able to help with delivery as i want to buy some extractors and 2 piece fronts spoiler of PACE too shortly). 

[Ishamael]

Yes, if I was still working back in perth I would have done as much as I could, to save myself money.

I have already given the go ahead to Cilebertis for the cam and extractor replacement, but I'm not sure if they have ordered the parts in yet...it might be worthwhile calling them on Tuesday and checking.

I did suggest to Leo, if this would all have been cheaper if I just bought a second hand engine in good repair and reconditioned that - he said it would not make any difference.

I will keep you posted anyway Edward

[ItalCarGuy]

Hi Ishamael,
thanks for posting that. Its exactly what I needed to see. Gives me a really good idea of what I may need to address when I pull my engine soon.

Ciao

Derek