Photos from the treasure trove

[VeeSix]

A dam nice Sud at Auto Italia Canberra

[VeeSix]

A nice 33 16 valve at the Sydney show............Foley delivered? 

[VeeSix]

My last 33 before i went all V6 for my fleet..........16 valve Permanant 4................check out the plates i scored back then for the one off fee..................where is she now?

[AROCA33]

My last 33 before i went all V6 for my fleet..........16 valve Permanant 4................check out the plates i scored back then for the one off fee..................where is she now?

Considering only 27 permanent 4s were sold in Australia, I'd say most likely gone unfortunately. I know of around 8 p4s in Australia.
Although one white p4 was stolen in nsw ~6 months ago, saw the owner place an add on gumtree stating it was stolen- was 100% original too-it's a shame.

When did you sell your p4? I don't think I could live with myself if i sold my p4.

[VeeSix]

About 5 years ago, i think the purchaser was from Castle Hill, Dural area way 

[VeeSix]

Wow, went thru the treasure trove, found the 33 i had before my Permanant 4, 33 Cloverleaf, anyone remember this model?
It was the one with the red interior carpet, i think this was the best model out of the 33 carb models 

[Frank Musco]

I had a White 33 with red carpet, 1700 solid lifter motor with the twin 40's. Looked like yours, but I had a problem with it. Every time I got in it, I had to drive it like a race car. I kept getting 'that look' from the passenger, then the shake of the head.
The crackle on the overrun was awesome. Also my favourite.

[Alfapride]

Is that a 33 1.7 ti??

[colcol]

And the 1700 with solid lifters, [only 200 in Australia], had a good amount of torque, it was in the twin carb Sud, would go up hills in 5th gear, where my twin carb 1500 33 needed 3rd gear, but the 1500 was more rewarding to drive, but the 1700 was more relaxing.
The first 200 1700 33's all had solid shimed tappets as the hydraulic tappets were not yet ready for production.
33's are given away as they don't have climate control or bluetooth, but they are number one for driving enjoyment.
The 1.7 carby was heavy on fuel, the EFI was much better and the engines lasted longer as the bores were not continuously sprayed with fuel washing off the lubricating oil, but you can't trust EFI as it is something modern and not to be trusted, Colin.

[Sportscar Nut]

Frank, I was just enjoying the symphony crackle on 'over run' today in the Sud - does make you want to drive the car fast!

Col, the hydraulic lifter 1.7 Ti's poduced the same torque and so easy on maintenance compared to solid lifters. I actually find the 1.5 twin carbs more relaxing to drive whereas the 1.7 engine is a riot! Agree is heavy on fuel though and did rebuild the 1.7 after circa 160Km's due to power being down about 10hp ATW's (interesting comment about the EFI engine lasting longer).

PS WD-40 my locking fuel cap - thanks.

Paul

[colcol]

Hydraulic lifters are too easy, the solid lifters is such a difficult job, that when you finish it you feel better.....similar when you stop banging your head against a brick wall.
Hydraulic lifters work good, back in the good ol days of Group A Touring Cars, they used to change camshafts in Sierra's for more power and torque, and they used solids and hydraulic and the hydraulics were better because they didn't drain any power, but you could change a camshaft without having to set the valve clearances, just change the camshafts and the lifters would set themselves to the correct clearance.
The 1.7's make you lazy, they seem to work in any gear, where the 1.5 doesn't want to know under 4,000 revs, its like the new Alfa Romeo's don't crunch their gearboxes, where the old school Suds and 33's do, so you learn to drive them properly by double clutching and heeling and toeing, Colin.