Giulia sprint Veloce 68

[boomerang147]

Hi Guys,
I'm posting in this section as I am not sure whether to sell or not...
My Giulia Sprint Veloce was my almost daily driver for two years, but I was hit from behind. I decided to take it off the road as I was planning on doing a full resto myself. I have removed a door and the grill, and also swapped the good tyres for fairly bald ones. Good bits are rebuilt carbs and new valves and seals etc. Rust repairs were done to the floor but there is some bog in a few areas such as near wheel arches. New door seals and some spares including a spare 1600 engine and a gearbox.
The hit in the back was fairly minor. Original dash is partially restored.
Ideally the car would benefit from a full restoration, but it could easily be patched up as a daily driver for a few more years.
Being a model that is getting harder to find and relatively desirable.... Any ideas what it is worth? If it isn't worth that much, then I will tuck it away for future restoration.
Nick

[boomerang147]

Also have a spare rear bumper and a full engine gasket set. Probably a few other bits a well.

[boomerang147]

Any ballpark figures? I havn't been keeping an eye on eBay or Carsales for ages, so I have no idea on current values. Plus maybe some Alfa club members may know about private sales in the last year or two?

Nick

[GTV-074]

Nick,

Lots could be said about this its an interesting dilemma. I guess the questions are more for you.....

1. IS the body good enough that you would keep it long term (to do up one day)? is it a keeper?

2. How much do you want to spend? do you want 'concourse' standard or just a 'driver/cruiser'?

3. What could you get back on it if its not what you want going forward?

As you mentioned you could spend some $$$$ to get it up to driveable condition but from what we can see that north of 10K (paint alone!) forget interior trim, dash (whats going on there?) carpet, indicendtals etc. could easily push 15-20k and you haven't done a "fulll bare metal resto".

Others who are currenlty going down that path can comment.

There is a red GTV on carsales for 55K at present and some others in the 20-30 range recently.

They are hard to find, so if the body is half decent and it looks like you have most of the bits there, I'd keep it. They are only getting harder and more expensive to find in the future.

Good luck.

Cheers,

Paul.

[boomerang147]

Thank's for the comment's Paul,

I'm capable of doing the metal repairs myself which would save a lot of $$, but the cost's of new interior, paint, chrome work etc etc not to mention time has me sitting on the fence a bit at the moment. Also the fact that I may regret selling it.

A lot of things to consider!


Regarding the dash... I pulled the original out to work on it and I whipped up a new flat dash out of aluminium.

Nick

[pancho]

If it's not costing you anything I'd keep it. It's worth more overall as it is than in the folding stuff.

[LaStregaNera]

I'm capable of doing the metal repairs myself which would save a lot of $$, but the cost's of new interior, paint, chrome work etc etc not to mention time has me sitting on the fence a bit at the moment. Also the fact that I may regret selling it.

A lot of things to consider!


Regarding the dash... I pulled the original out to work on it and I whipped up a new flat dash out of aluminium.

Nick

Do the metal work youself then. Strip the paint and use 2 pack epoxy primer applied with a 3" foam roller to protect the bare steel (much less mess/toxic than spraying in your garage - this is exactly what I did).
Do your own filler work - take your time. Contemplate a rustoleum/3" roller paint job - they can come out very nicely - if you've got the time!

[Davidm1600]

Ok, my take on projects like this, and given I equally have a stalled Giulia Super project, plus a not yet completed restoration of my Fiat 124 sport, as well as another project, is that truthfully you need to make a clear decision.

Pancho was correct in one respect that if it is not costing you $$ and you have somewhere safe to store than perhaps do this, until you are ready to bite the bullet and do a proper restoration.

The alternative equally has merit, that is put the door back on the car, and flog it, and let someone else spend the time, money and put the hard work into bringing this one back to life.

So many projects get started then stall (I know from bitter experience), what happens here is that the car is unlikely to get rebuilt, you have spent some time and money which is never recoverable, and it is a loose all around.

I too had a GTV but in truth after storing it for many years came to the ultimate conclusion I was never going to have the four components needed to restore it, time, space, money and motivation.   I have simply too many projects already.

Sadly, doing as perhaps LaStregaNera suggests while  kind of appealing in one sense, as it means restoration has started probably unless you are determined to work on it is actually not really a smart idea for the reasons outlined above.   Moreover, and with all respect, paint rolling on paint is not the way for base preparation of panels.  Spray painting is the only clear way to get the correct finish.  The second concern I would have with such a suggestion is that most primers (not sure about 2pak ??) is that they are hydroscopic and will over time absorb moisture out of the atmosphere leading to surface rusting under the primer. 

Therefore if you are going to store and keep it until that time you are ready, it is far better to leave the topcoat paint (red) on as this won't absorb moisture.

In terms of value between its current and restored condition, there is a quantum difference.  That is because the cost of restoring cars is not cheap.  The more work you can do, and well, will save money on the final cost.

All the best with your decision re what to do with it.

[LaStregaNera]

  Moreover, and with all respect, paint rolling on paint is not the way for base preparation of panels.  Spray painting is the only clear way to get the correct finish.  The second concern I would have with such a suggestion is that most primers (not sure about 2pak ??) is that they are hydroscopic and will over time absorb moisture out of the atmosphere leading to surface rusting under the primer.

Epoxy primers are well recognised as not being porous - pretty much all the big $ restoration shops will blast a car, shoot it in a 2pak epoxy primer, and then start work - sometimes leaving the shell in the epoxy for years with no ill effects.
As for the rolling the primer - when doing the filler work, you wind up sanding every surface of the car, so the surface finish left by the roller is immaterial (and truth be told, most of the epoxy gets sanded off during the prep work). In my case we then sprayed the car - but I was lucky that I had a friend who was a painter and had a booth in his shed.

[Davidm1600]

Fair enough and I take your point; I don't have experience in the use of 2pak hence prefaced my comment with ?? re such paints. 

I still think ultimately if Nick is uncertain as to what to do with the Gt and is contemplating its sale, he is probably better off leaving it as it is rather than stripping it back.  Just my $1 worth.   

[boomerang147]

All good points!

At the moment, I'm thinking that I wouldn't get what I think it's worth, also would most likely regret selling it. It is outside under a car cover, so I have sprayed around the brakes and rusty bits with fish oil and some lanoline based preservative. I am also starting up the engine every few weeks. If I keep an eye on things, then hopefully it won't degrade further. I am a bit worried about condensation under the car cover though.

I am hoping to have my current project out of the garage within three years, and I would then be able to tackle this as my next project.

Thanks for the advice!.... I'll hold onto it for now and will post something if there are any developments

Nick

[Davidm1600]

Hey Nick, totally understand where you are coming from.  My own Giulia Super project sadly has sat under car covers/tarp outside my home for the past 10 years or so, and sadly no further progress on that project.  My real point though is keep a close eye on yours as yes condensation can do significant damage to such cars, if left for too long.

With my project, if I keep it, it will have to be completely bare metal stripped as condensation has resulted in the paint suffering from micro-blistering etc.  You really do need to get such projects into a shed if possible.  Good luck with it.

[Craig_m67]

If it starts, stops, can have the door easily bolted back on and get a roadworthy, then I could be talked into it. I have a stalled project in the shed and hankering for something (105) to drive to re kindle the relationship.

[boomerang147]

Hi Craig,

I think the tail would need to be pulled up before contemplating a roadworthy. I'm leaning towards keeping the car now.
However I will keep you in mind in case I change my mind again!

Nick

[Craig_m67]

Ah, no. I will have forgotten.
I'm an impulse based, chaos theory, don't look just jump in kinda guy these days
Does it start and stop ?

And tell me about the spare 1600, is it a 00536 block ?