2012 alfa 159 3.2

[Colin Edwards]

With OPEC about to put the squeeze on crude production, the 1750 would be the way to go.  However they do seem to be a rare beast.  Their rarity and lack of thirst could push the price up a tad!

[poohbah]

fgv, I completely understand that you prefer something relatively new, which would seem to rule out the V6. But I was wondering if there is any reason you wouldn't consider a low-mileage V6 159? One could argue an 8yo car with under 70,000k may be in better nick than a well-used 2-3yo car (assuming both have been maintained properly).

I've never owned an Alfa with the GM-derived 3.2 V6, but as a committed past and present owner/lover of a magnificent Busso V6-powered Alfa (best sound of any engine with less than 8 cylinders), I can only say six is better than four!

[fgv]

Colin - so both pretty rare in reality, so i guess i can't be too picky =p

halo poohbah - any relation to pooh bear? haha j/k . i wouldn't mind either - it just doesn't seem like i have many options; there's lots of automatics, older 4/5 cylinders, and ones with high mileage out there. i guess it makes sense that an enthusiast who likes their car and looks after it very well, probably isn't looking to sell anytime soon!

[poohbah]

Best of luck with the hunt, FGV. They are all good choices, as long as they've been looked after.

[fgv]

thank you poohbah, i guess the process of looking out for one is also fun, so i'll enjoy it while waiting =)

[kaleuclint]

1750 also some 277kg lighter.  Has the torque of the V6.  Also has the thirst of the V6 I suspect.

Possible o/seas relocation means I might sell mine.  I'll think about it...

[fgv]

kaleuclint - that is quite significant when i come to think of it; like carrying 3 adults as passengers.

random question: do most alfa users here fill up with 95 or 98 petrol? does it make a difference for these cars?

[kaleuclint]

Always use 98 in my cars.  The 1750 prefers BP Ultimate according to many online correspondents (not to assume it's the same stuff worldwide anyway); I use that or V-Power -- nothing else.

That weight difference seems very high so I checked another source; 135kg is probably the correct figure.  So two slim fit wearers or one rather burly fellow...

[fgv]

i suppose it is somewhat a 'performance vehicle' that benefits the higher octane.

still is a fair amount of weight.. and yes, that does sound like a burly dude.. haha =p

[Colin Edwards]

A lot of that additional 35kg will be due to the tailshaft / rear diff / rear drive shafts of the Q4 system.  Although the extra mass is a pill, having more over the rear wheels helps the handling a tad. 
I usually run the tires at 43 psi front / 41 psi rear.  Those pressures and close to zero toe and less negative camber at the front reduces tire wear and helps fuel consumption. 
I find running 98 improves economy about 5% - but costs 10% more!!!  Still do it anyway.  The V6 can can be thirsty however the pain can be minimised.  A litre of Liquid Moly injector cleaner every 5k can't hurt.

[fgv]

that makes sense Colin. i'm sure it feels pretty balanced the way they did it.
how do your tyre pressures compare to the 'recommended' pressures? im not familiar with what they should be for cars that size / weight - as my car is a lot smaller / lighter.
also, how much effort is it to get the minimal toe-in - is it a matter of asking an alfa specialized mechanic to do it; it seems the tyre-wear if this isn't done, is a common issue.
so the car actually runs ok on 95 yes? i guess it's important to know because on long drives - not every town has 98 at their stations. if its even slightly 'healthier' for the car in the long run, i'm sure its worth it (not sure if it does have long term effects though)

[Colin Edwards]

Hi FGV,
The recommended tyre pressures are about 20% less than what I run.  Anything over 45 psi (cold) tends to make the ride very harsh.

Its pretty straight forward to adjust for minimal static toe.  Just need to take the car to someone with an accurate alignment jig that knows how to use it and is prepared to spend the time needed.  I took the 159 to Mauceri Motors in Clayton.  Problem with the 159 and most cars for that matter is the amount of toe alteration during acceleration and braking.  The lower control arm bushes flex a bit and cause the base of the front hubs to move for and aft.  This causes the toe setting to move about.  its not so bad on the Q4 as most of the drive is via the rear wheels, however under heavy braking its not so great!  I fitted polyurethane bushes throughout the front end to reduce the amount of dynamic toe change. 

The V6 runs quite ok on 95 - only use it if 98 is not available or I'm a bit light on for funds!





 

[As the day goes]

1750 also some 277kg lighter.  Has the torque of the V6.  Also has the thirst of the V6 I suspect.

Possible o/seas relocation means I might sell mine.  I'll think about it...

Work?

[fgv]

thanks for all the info Colin; i'm sure i'll need more of your advice if i finally do get the 159 =)

by the way, do you tend to do your services at the place you mentioned in clayton? or the alfa place in malvern? do they specialize in different areas or are both generally good for all things alfa romeo? both are close to where i live so easy to to get to.

[Colin Edwards]

Hi fgv,
Each establishment has its strengths.  I guess it comes down to what you want.  Both are active club members and know their stuff.  The same can be said for all those who advertise in the club mag or on the website.  I support them because they support us!