3l GTV6 PRC project

[redalfaracing]

Gtv6 passed scrutiny and is ready to rally. Nothing quite like 11th  hr prep. 

rushworth has had 20 mm of rain over night so waiting to hear if the event is a goer, some talk it may be a shortened version.

[redalfaracing]

Just had word that the event is good to go ,  bring it on

[dehne]

what time are you heading up there are you going through bendigo cannot make tonight but thought could have a coffee on ur way through

[redalfaracing]

very unofficial scores , 6th outright 1st in class 1st senior cup great night and very slippery.

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A picture of the GTV6 just before leaving for scrutiny Thursday afternoon. I think it looks pretty good from a distance.


Here are the unofficial scores of the Nissan Nightmoves

O/R Crew Car POINTS
1 Stephen Raymond/Glen Raymond Subaru Legacy 8:06
2 Simon Ellis/Ian Ellis Subaru Legacy RS 8:51
3 Gerard Blum(J)/Chris Bolton Hyundai Excel X3 13:14
4 Darren Roberts/Matthew Thompson Toyota Sprinter AE86 13:55
5 Cameron Jay/Eddie Corrales Ford Escort Mk 2 14:13
6 Greg Wyatt(S)/Dale Allan(S) Alfa Romeo Alfetta 14:24
7 Chas Mammi/Michael Mammi(J) Datsun Sunny 17:30
8 Phil Hurle(J)/Mahra Villis(J) Ford Escort 18:34
9 Mark Attwood/Richard Clough Ford Escort Mk 2 20:00
10 Tony Huggins/Steph Huggins Datsun Stanza 20:55
11 Darren Webster/Tim Clark Toyota Rav 4 20:56
12 Rod Greenwood/Paul Mahony Toyota Sprinter AE86 21:19
13 Peter Lazdins/Allan Sheeran Nissan Stanza 23:11
14 Stuart Schoof/Andrew Ryan Datsun 1200 23:16
15 Stephen Coutts-Smith/Steph Richards(J) Ford Escort Mk 2 23:28
16 Steve Porter/Leigh Garrioch Mazda RX7 23:58
17 Leeham Bansagi/Peter Agrotis Datsun 1200 24:16
18 Peter Canning/Darren Dorcich Datsun 1600 24:58
19 Aidan O'Halloran/Deborah Howard-Jones Suzuki Swift GTi 26:26
20 Brett Williams/Andrew Ormesher Datsun 1600 26:47
21 Stephen Wilson/Chris Petrie Datsun Stanza 26:50
22 Paul Williams/Jeremy Egan Toyota Levin TE27 26:56
23 Michael Ward/Di Bailey Toyota Corolla 27:55
24 Geoff Hale/Alan Baker Volkswagen Golf GLS 28:06
25 Ryan Humphries/Kim Barson Toyota Corolla 28:21
26 Ian Curry/Michael Curry Datsun 1600 28:37
27 Daniel Rossi/Simon Rowland Chrysler Lancer 29:40
28 Adrian Johns/David Johns Mitsubishi Galant 36:19
29 Adam Coates/Rachael Coates Hyundai Lantra 45:33
30 Cary Seabrook(J)/Tyler Seabrook(J) Datsun Stanza 55:30

Did not finish the event
Lachlan Smith/Simon Ilsley Ford Escort Mk 1 Blown diff (6)
Tim Smith/Hayley Blacker Datsun 180B No reason given (6)
Daryl King/Chris Barrett Toyota Corolla No power (6)
Sean Hudgson/Phil Nicholas Datsun 1600 Drive shaft (6)
Michael Trucano(S)/Doug Fernie(S) Datsun
Sunny Alternator (FB)
Simon Boyer/Simon Thompson Datsun 1600 Radiator (FA)
David Lawrance/Darren Miller Datsun 1600 No reason given (5)
Keith Cuttle/Tyler Cuttle(J) Holden Commodore VC Bogged (5)
David Wellings/Scott Jennison Datsun 1600 Clutch (4)
Duncan Elliot/Zarny Tran Toyota Corolla No reason given (D)
Rowan Woollard/Russell Woollard Nissan Bluebird Sick navigator (D)
Thomas Davidson/James Davidson Chrysler Lancer
LA Overheating (C)
Adam Bloomfield/Rebecca Sharlott Holden Commodore
VH Exhaust (B)
Mark Millar/Dion Clayton Datsun 240Z Diff mount (1)

It was a pretty tough event. Conditions were far from ideal. Although not raining during the event, there had been a lot of rain in the 2 days leading up to it. There was a lot of water lying, particularly in the insides of corners, sometimes covering the whole road. It made the roads a bit hard to read as you never new what the next corner would bring. All part of the challenge.
Some stages were canceled so we ended up with 5 stages b4 service and 2 after service.
We went out with all guns blazing and in fact were the fastest 2wd in stage 1. It soon became apparent that to stay on the edge could end in tears so we backed off a little so as to guarantee a finish and a straight car at the end. Having just repaired it after the BP the last thing i wanted was more panel damage!
Unofficially we are 6th outright, 1st in class and 1st senior cup. ( senior cup is run in VCRS. To be able to nominate for senior cup the combined age of the car, the navigator and the driver have to add up to at least 120 years. We add up to 130 )
I am happy with the result.
By the end, the car was so dirty i reckon it must have been 60 kgs heavier and it handled like it. The wheels were full of mud and stones making the transports on the bitumen almost unpleasant.



You might notice in the 1st pic the fuel cap appears to be taped up. Actually the fuel cap is missing. My bad! Filling up at a service stop on the Hume, I forgot to refit the cap and off we drove. Realized after several K's. We turned around and went looking but no luck.I shoved a rag in it to get to Rushworth, and while Dale was plotting the maps i set about finding something to keep the fuel in the tank whilst we did rh corners. The best solution i could come up with was a dektite jammed in the filler and the screw cap off an oil bottle inside that. Some race tape to keep the dektite from being dragged out by passing shrubberies and bingo, problem solved. ( anyone with any spare fuel caps out there? call me, call me now)

This afternoon i made a real mess of the BP car wash. Took down the trolley jack, and removed all the wheels and washed all the mud off. Outside and underneath the car is now squeaky clean, just have to work on cleaning the inside.

2 weeks until the X trial in Dunolly. July 10th. Might catch up with Dehne then? 

[dehne]

i have to work then but i have a few fuel caps if you want im heading down to melb on thurs can bring or i can post to you

[116gtv]

well done again, and glad you didnt prang that new front end and light box...

[redalfaracing]

i have to work then but i have a few fuel caps if you want im heading down to melb on thurs can bring or i can post to you

Thursday isn't a real good day for me, I'm going to be stuck in the dentist for a while. I have a few crowns to get. Really looking forward to that!!!!
Maybe you could use the post option. Also while you are stuffing envelopes, have you got any spare of those plastic slide bushes from 90 steering columns? seem to have miss placed the ones off the '79 sedan.
Be great if you have.

well done again, and glad you didnt prang that new front end and light box...

I have to say Martin, The thought of more panel damage was in the back of my mind all night. I was driving a little on the conservative side. I was also wishing i had better tyres. those babies did the BP. Over 2500 K's on them. They weren't gripping quite as i would have liked. Still, a good advert for Dunlop. Stuckey tyres might be able to use the result to advantage.
The light pod came up ok i thought. I was going to knock up a fibreglass mold and get something a little more curvy, but i just ran out of time. Beat the old one into submission and gave it a thick coat of paint to hide the scratches. The reflectors not so.. had to get new ones. I am trying rally 4000 fog inserts with 35 watt zenon kits. They are amazing things. They give a super flat beam that just about goes behind the car as well. It was a shame there wasn't any fog around on Saturday night. I think they might be real handy in dust too.
I have to comment on the suspension. The guys at Quadrant really did a great job building the shockers. I have come to realize that you really don't notice the suspension at all while you are driving. Full noise sideways the last thing you need is to be worried that it may put a foot wrong. This car doesn't ever. It just works as it should. Leaves me to pick the lines i want, without me wondering if it is going to respond as i ask. Love their work. One thing i am going to do is put some spacers between the front shockers and the wishbones so I can have more droop. This will limit the travel on compression but, on full travel now, the tyres rub on the underside of the guards. On the gravel, droop is just as important. Gotta try to keep the wheels planted as much as possible.

I am ready and looking forward to the X Trial.
This event is run by Dave Smith. A very cunning and sadistic director. It is more navigation than speed, although there are usually a couple of drivers stages. I notice Simon Francis is an entrant, i guess navigating in the Gemini (can i mention that marque without getting a red card?) with Liz driving. I wish them better luck than they had in the Challenge of Clubs. Alternator issues i believe.

Entry list so far,
1.     Brian CANNY / Paul CROSBIE
2.     Michael FORESHEW / Rick WALTON
3.     Elizabeth GILHOME / Simon FRANCIS
4.     Geoffrey HALE / Alan BAKER
5.     Steve ASHTON / Ross RUNNALLS
6.     David ALLWRIGHT / Keith MORRIS
7.     Robert CRANSTON / Karl GREALY
8.     David OFFICER / Kate OFFICER
9.     Kevin MILLARD / Tom BILSTON
10.    Kim HARPER / Steuart SNOOKS
11.    Doug FERNIE / Geoff FLOYD
12.    Robert DYER / Jenny POLLOCK
13.    Peter PARRY / Fred LAKERINK
14.    Michael WARD / Di BAILEY
15.    Alan UPTON / Mark LAIDLAY
16.    Graham WALLIS / Phil NICHOLAS
(in the mail John ELLIS / Adrian SIETSMA)
(engine dependent Keith WINTER /Peter MAURER)

[redalfaracing]

Paul, thanks for the kind words.

I had the pleasure of talking to a guy who professed to build the engines for Greg Carr in a servo in Kilmore one night. He told me that the Carr GTV6 had 270 BHP and that it had issues with conrods. Apparently it was a 1 event engine, requiring rebuilding with new rods after every event. Not sure I could ever afford to do that!
My point being that it was a very special Alfa and indeed when i get the 3L 24 valve in mine it will have similar BHP without the longevity issues, However it will not be able to run in the ARC as it will not be PRC or Group N.
Not that i have any desire to drive ARC. I can rally at club level for a whole year on what 1 ARC event would cost.

Now, if someone out there has a bucket of money to give away, i would be happy to talk to them.

[alfagtv58]

I see AROCA member Brian Canny is entered....say hi to him for me 

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Some pics kindly supplied by John Doutch

This is in the first stage. John always puts up a board warning us of the impending flash. For some reason John has a water fetish. If there is a ford or a big puddle John will be lurking some where near. Mat will remember him from the Challenge of Clubs. If you look closely at my face i look like a startled rabbit. Actually Dale and I are pissing ourselves laughing. Here is John standing on the side of the track in what looks like a full cover green rubber suit. Looked like someone out of an espionage movie.

This pic is after service, Stage 5 i think. He is standing on the exit of a Turn very hard right. So I throw it in as you can in an Alfa. You see how forgiving the suspension is. That is a high speed entry. If there was a rear stabiliser fitted you would be facing the other direction by there. Gotta love the soft European suspension. Great advert for Quantums re-valved Bilsteins. Thanks guys, i'll get you a framed one of these for your wall.

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    l don't know a lot about the ARC,  what sort of mods, and or regs would the GTV6 be allowed back then?

Paul, My GTV6 could enter the ARC as it is. Any PRC, Group N or Group A vehicle is Eligible to enter. Classic Rally Cars run at the front of the field as a crowd pleaser/ warm up/ road sweepers. Current PRC rules would prohibit putting the 24 valve in. It would become a Club Rally Car and as such is only able to compete up to State level events. The original plan was to fit 3 Litre Crank, Liners and Pistons to the 2.5 block, fit large valves and manifolds, BUT, the cost of doing this would run to maybe 6-8 K. Of course one could just drop in a 3 Litre  out of a 75 and just change the engine number and no one could tell the difference ( cost free, i have one in the shed) but one would never do that. The 24 v 3 Litre i have cost 1 K so thats why i am going down that route. I don't intend to contest National events so i don't see any problems with it. I am so looking forward to another 100 HP or so, Working on the brake upgrade at the moment. Thinking i might have the 24 valve in for 1st event next year. I have a few more events to run this year. Including the VRC attached to Rally Victoria ( ARC ) in November. It is in my backyard ( Noojee ) and i just love those roads.

[redalfaracing]

The provisional results have just surfaced.

View them herehttp://www.nissancarclub.org.au/Events/Downloads/2010NissanNightmovesVCRS2/Provisional%20Resutls.pdf

[redalfaracing]

Hi Greg
Just taking another look at that ripper pic.
If it's not to much trouble, can l get a copy of that pic, l'll stick it up on the photo wall in the N.E.C.C. rooms. They will love it. Actually l need one for the shed as well, can l try for two  
Cheers Paul
FULL NOISE... FULLY SIDEWAYS.............

Paul, the picture belongs to John Doutch. He prints and sells them for a very reasonable fee. Give him an email to "John Doutch" <johnd@hard.net.au> I'm sure he will be more than happy to accommodate your request. If you want, get him to photoshop away the mirror, and insert a big tongue pointing right

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The Furthers are out for the X Trial, next Saturday in Dunolly. Rain is forecast for the weekend so it may well be a wet event again ( at least no dust!) Entry list below.

Finally getting somewhere with my front brakes upgrade. I have had some grooved and dimpled 156 GTA discs for quite some time. These are 305 mm diameter and i have some Wilwood superlite calipers but the sticking point is finding some wheels that these brakes will fit inside. here is the dimensions of brakes and calipers

The discs require an 8 mm spacer between the hub flange and the disc. This gets the disc and consequently the caliper further away from the wheel so it has more chance of fitting. I know the easy way is to go to 16 inch wheels but nobody uses 16 inch rally tyres. they are available but only in 60 profile. I'm thinking this has the rim too close to the rocks. Not interested.
But these wheels not only look pretty special, but they comfortably fit the brakes inside.

Here is the CAD drawing showing the clearance.

I have ordered some of these wheels in silver. I think that silver will look pretty special considering the GTV6 is painted silver on the sills and lwr doors. They will be on the proverbial slow boat from China so not getting them for a little while. Give me time to make the caliper brackets and think about some sort of mechanical hand brake so i can fit the wilwood calipers to the rear with the peugeot dics.