The project begins...

Started by Stuart Thomson, December 07, 2009, 11:15:49 PM

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Stuart Thomson

Hi All,

After much hair pulling out etc. I have decided to chuck the Motronic FI on the Twinspark.

I found out from the AlfaBB that Suzuki GSXR750 throttle bodies are a good match to the Alfa intake.

So the project begins.

Here they are modified to fit the intake.  Essentially you disassemble them and space them out with some 12mm tubing, attach them to the intake by Silicon hose and clamps.  I have since replace the hose clamps with the ones the turbo guys use as they have a much higher clamping force.

Next is mounting and wiring of the Landrover V8 ignition coil set...

Cheers
Stuart


Paul Gulliver

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I don't suppose it is one of those projects that will be completed by  Philip Island this weekend???
Paul Gulliver
Present
2017 Silver Giulia Veloce
1979 Silver Alfa 116 GTV Twin Spark
1973 Red Alfa 105 2.0 GTV

Past
2013 Giulietta QV
2006 Black 159 2.2 J
1970 Dutch Blue Series 2 1750
1975 Blue Alfetta Sedan 1.8
1981 Piper Yellow Alfetta GTV 2000
1985 Red Alfetta GTV2.0
1989 White Alfa 164
2000 156

Stuart Thomson

Hi Paul,

You don't suppose correctly.

Cheers
Stuart

alfagtv58

Where did you source the TB's Stuart?  I have been toying with this idea for my 105.
1967 Giulia Sprint GT Veloce - (WIP) Strada
1977 Alfetta GTV Group S - Corsa - For Sale (http://www.alfaclubvic.org.au/forum/index.php/topic,9600.0.html)
2009 159 JTS Ti

Jekyll and Hyde

Quote from: Stuart Thomson on December 07, 2009, 11:15:49 PM
Hi All,

After much hair pulling out etc. I have decided to chuck the Motronic FI on the Twinspark.

I found out from the AlfaBB that Suzuki GSXR750 throttle bodies are a good match to the Alfa intake.

So the project begins.

Here they are modified to fit the intake.  Essentially you disassemble them and space them out with some 12mm tubing, attach them to the intake by Silicon hose and clamps.  I have since replace the hose clamps with the ones the turbo guys use as they have a much higher clamping force.

Next is mounting and wiring of the Landrover V8 ignition coil set...

Cheers
Stuart


Now that looks disturbingly familiar....  A bit after the fact, but normal hose clamps would have held them on fine, even under race conditions.  What year are those throttles, out of curiousity?  As 2001-2003(?) GSX-R 750 throttle bodies are 42mm ID at the exit (fully tapered from 50mm at the inlet), but later ones are smaller...

Quote from: Phil Baskett on December 08, 2009, 08:34:57 AM
Where did you source the TB's Stuart?  I have been toying with this idea for my 105.

The best option is to look on Ebay in the US.  Australian wreckers want silly money for them, but I think I've paid under $200 per set (GSXR 750) on both occasions through Ebay US.


njh1964

Hi Stuart,

Please keep the posts and pictures coming. Have you decided on which ECU you will go with in place of the Motronic? I'm also interested in going down this path, but I've heard it might be difficult to get the car road registered if I use an aftermarket ECU.

Cheers,


Nick
Now:
1968 Alfa Romeo GT 1300 Junior - Complete Restoration Project
2002 Alfa Romeo 147 Twin Spark - Track Day Car
Previously:
1974 Alfasud TI - First Car

Stuart Thomson

Next installment.


  • Computer mounted inside right footwell, you can see the wiring emerging
  • 4 way igniter mounted
  • set of Landrover V8 coils mounted and wired to the igniter module
  • Holes (mostly) plugged in the the throttle bodies
  • vacuum line tapped into end throttle body
  • linkages extended
  • Velocity stacks sources (US) and fitted with internal screens.

Unseen in these photos

  • Exhaust modified to fit wideband lambda sensor, and flanged to aid in fitment
  • Innovate motorsports LC-1 and gauge sourced (need to clean out inside car before I fit them)


Cheers
Stuart

Colin Byrne

Looking good Stuart, Having fun with the wiring harness I see ;)
Are you going to run some kind of air box?, I reckon it's going to sound mean as with it setup like you have.

Any chance of doing a deal on the old intake support bracket? (my engine didn't come with one)
72' 105 2000 GTV Red (tarmac rally/race car)
74' 105 2000 GTV Blue (road car)
68' 105 1600 Giulia Super White (Not sure yet)
01' Nissan Pathfinder (Tow car/Alfa support vehicle)

dehne

colin i think ive got 1 lying around you can have it  as ive moved up a couple of cylinders and or sparkplugs
now
1x 85 mdl road 90
2013 Giulietta 1.4
2015 Launch Edition Giulietta
Past
Multiple Alfa 90's, Alfetta's and 147's

Stuart Thomson

Hi Colin,
I'll bring the bracket on Wednesday, if I remember.

Cheers
stuart

Colin Byrne

Thanks heaps guys, Stuart unfortunately I'm in Sweden this month for work so I'll grab it off you when I get back if that's ok
72' 105 2000 GTV Red (tarmac rally/race car)
74' 105 2000 GTV Blue (road car)
68' 105 1600 Giulia Super White (Not sure yet)
01' Nissan Pathfinder (Tow car/Alfa support vehicle)

Paul Gulliver

Stuart,

You have probably seen this thread on Alfa BB but just in case.

http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/engine-conversions/59967-105-twinspark.html

The gallery on the conversion looks like it is also an excellent reference source.

http://picasaweb.google.ca/alfadave/AlfaTwinSparkFuelInjectionConversion#

Hoping you can see the light at the end of the  tunnel.

Gully
Paul Gulliver
Present
2017 Silver Giulia Veloce
1979 Silver Alfa 116 GTV Twin Spark
1973 Red Alfa 105 2.0 GTV

Past
2013 Giulietta QV
2006 Black 159 2.2 J
1970 Dutch Blue Series 2 1750
1975 Blue Alfetta Sedan 1.8
1981 Piper Yellow Alfetta GTV 2000
1985 Red Alfetta GTV2.0
1989 White Alfa 164
2000 156

BradGTV

any updates on this project?
is it running yet?
am about to do the same to my 2.0 nord
cheers, Brad
79 gtv sr20, 83 gtv, 83 gtv6 3.0, 75 ts x 3, 85 gtv, 76 gt, 91 164, Subey L Series, S13 silvia, Bmw e30 318i, VT SS 6spd