selespeed substitute oil

[pyramimi]

Hi,

Are these good substitutes for Tutella Selespeed Oil?

Dexron III
Castrol TQ D-III

Oil has leaked out and the pump is completly empty.
Any of these fine as an alternative...

[ProvaRacing]

I have pm'd you all the info.

Ciao

[dehne]

prova, can u please post the info up as i would like to know and im sure others would. thanks

[ProvaRacing]

It's being sorted by an Alfa specialist after my recommendation. I only posted what I said so other forum lurkers knew someone had replied to "pyramimi".

Now here's what you and others should know 

[John Hanslow]

Interesting use of technology ProvaRacing !

[ProvaRacing]

Interesting use of technology ProvaRacing !

That's what some said when semi auto manual gearboxes were created...but I like technology, I like advancement and I like updated Selespeed...it happens to be where all "sane" motorsports have gone.

http://www.autozine.org/technical_school/gearbox/tech_gear_manual.htm
PS Since this was written, Alfa has paddles instead of buttons and on 147 GTA a 6speed Selespeed.

[Sheldon McIntosh]

That's what some said when semi auto manual gearboxes were created...but I like technology, I like advancement and I like updated Selespeed...it happens to be where all "sane" motorsports have gone.

[John Hanslow]

I wonder how good (improved or production standard) the Ferrari or Maserati 'selespeed' is ?

With so much power going through the transmission and that robotic arm, I can only assume that these units are a different sort of transmission altogether !

Likewise the selespeed in a 147 GTA must be under a bit of stress ?

Regards.

[ProvaRacing]

I wonder how good (improved or production standard) the Ferrari or Maserati 'selespeed' is ?

With so much power going through the transmission and that robotic arm, I can only assume that these units are a different sort of transmission altogether !

Likewise the selespeed in a 147 GTA must be under a bit of stress ?

Regards.

John, the updated I speak of is what came through on the factory facelift to 147/156(05-on)...most issues you hear of are from series one 147/156 that suffered the need for constant adjustment. Maserati/Ferrari system as far as I know work fine - I think "cost" is less of an issue for these owners if things went wrong on early production models. In a similar way the 2003 BA Fairmont 5.4Lt V8 owner that almost collapsed when handed a bill for $2400 because 5 spark plugs broke (known problem yet responsibility not accepted) whilst being replaced in service by Ford. This cost to repair and replace hurts anyone but much less if this car was a $250K Ford GT.

I haven't heard of a "robotic arm" breaking on an Alfa 147/156 and nor should it, the strain is still through the same driveline as a non selespeed, except that the gear change, application of power is ecu controlled and therefore should extend the life of the clutch and gearbox. Except on GTA & GT that all have a weak standard diff. Again here the problem if anything will be accelerated in a punished (see below abuse defined) gearstick manual.

(See photo)

That is of course a personal choice, but if dumping the clutch on take off and when changing gears 1-2, 2-3 etc chirping the tyres to strain the driveline well yes selespeed can't give you that.

What it gives you is perfect downchange gear speed matching through drive by wire accelerator (ecu controlled power on/off/blip) and instead of over revving on acceleration will change up gear at readline (except GTA...it will over rev). Funny how passengers comment on a whiplash effect on fast acceleration through the gears in a selespeed manual when it is certainly no worse than a gearstick manual - the impression is because the driver in a manual can be seen grabbing gears.

All I say to anyone is drive each back to back and make your choice on your personal preference. Do it in the next couple of years as the stick shift has its days numbered. Be wary of any "used" car as this isn't the way to judge a systems suitability to exist. There are too many chances for the car to have been abused or mistreated in other ways.

[Sheldon McIntosh]

That is of course a personal choice, but if dumping the clutch on take off and when changing gears 1-2, 2-3 etc chirping the tyres to strain the driveline well yes selespeed can't give you that.

What it gives you is perfect downchange gear speed matching through drive by wire accelerator (ecu controlled power on/off/blip) and instead of over revving on acceleration will change up gear at readline (except GTA...it will over rev). Funny how passengers comment on a whiplash effect on fast acceleration through the gears in a selespeed manual when it is certainly no worse than a gearstick manual - the impression is because the driver in a manual can be seen grabbing gears.

All I say to anyone is drive each back to back and make your choice on your personal preference. Do it in the next couple of years as the stick shift has its days numbered. Be wary of any "used" car as this isn't the way to judge a systems suitability to exist. There are too many chances for the car to have been abused or mistreated in other ways.

Yes, because every time I drive a manual I dump the clutch and chirp the tyres, and overrev, and strain the driveline.  Oh no, hang on, that's right I don't do that, because I know how to drive.

And yes I agree that inevitably manuals will become almost extinct on new cars, but I just know that if I was going to have a Ferrari, I'd want one with a chrome open gearlever gate, not carbon fibre paddles.  I find it more satisfying getting the revs right for the perfect downchange myself, rather than marvelling at an engineers computer program.

That said, a selespeed, or any other similar sysytem, is a brilliant idea 95% of the time.

[dehne]

i have access to both selespeed and manual 99mdl 156's and both drive the same but from a standing start if both cars are in manual the outright manual will jump off the start and will wheel spin the sele will react slower at start due to it grabing its gear but when it does there is no wheel spin all traction and off it goes from here i believe that the sele is better as you just plant the foot and when you have hit the rev limit the car will change regardless but still stays in manual mode thus it then has less lag than a true manual because there is no driver require for changing gears and when it is in this mode i alos think it is and can be as much fun