164 v 33 v 75

[tony8028]

Hi there

I am looking at getting back into the Alfa world.....the models I have owned and loved are the 33s, 75s and 164s.

I have a chance to buy a 164Q. Are these vastly advanced cars compared to a standard 75 or 33?

I really like the 33 16V shape wise, but its seems impossible to get working a/c in these cars.....and in sydney you have to have it.

75s also suffer from this judging by the 2 i have owned.

There are also a couple of 24v 164s in Sydney (imports) for sale....any opinions on this model?

thanks! Tony

[dehne]

i would go for either a 3ltr 75 or the 164Q and not settle for anything less. the 164Q is a unreal car to drive and the torque it has is fantastic

[John Hanslow]

The 164 is later design & technology, galvanised body etc, but you are still looking at 15-20 year old cars.

For the same price as a good 164Q, how about a 156 V6 manual, there are a few around from time to time and you get modern comforts.

Cheers.

[tony8028]

The 156s still seem to go for around 6 - 9 k in good condition and my budget is more like 5k.

The Q I am looking at is cheap because it needs some work which I will slowly get done as I can afford it.

So no takers on the 33s? Such fun little cars though !!

What about working a/c? Should I expect this on a 164Q ?

Thanks guys

[dehne]

yes and no but just get the condenser redone and it will be fine

[Joe Garra]

Don't ask me I'm biased  . I love my 164Q, air con is fine, but a bit too good and noisy on a hot day.

[tony8028]

Paul thats a great recommendation!

I have owned 2 75s....my 1991 TS had considerably more get up an go than my 1988 one....

You've got me thinking now

[pep105]

I'm with Paul and would say a 75 TS, we should start buying them before they all get cannibalised for their engines and transaxles!
My 88 75TS made a great and reliable daily driver and the air con worked well enough.

However the 33 16V is a nice package, a lot more refined than earlier 33s and was fun to drive, although a 85 - 86 33Ti was probably more so. Mate of mine had one since new owned it for 12 years and it was reliable, had sub 2 litre performance, and handled well, cheap now approx 4K lot of car for the money.

....................But then so is a Twinspark so would probably lean towards that.
Good Luck
Pep

[dehne]

i would go the 164Q its a full luxury sedan with a crap load of power driving it it would be the quicker out of these cars by a country mile

[dehne]

i know im funny but am also factual ive driven a fair few different alfas in my time/last 12 years and the 164Q would be the most exciting one ive driven, the power held within that engine it just wants to go and go and ect. ect the acceleration in unreal from standing and droping it back a few gears to overtake. the only down side of the car is it being fwd but its save me a few times

[pep105]

No doubt the 164Q is a nice car, powerful and quick in a straight line, but quicker than a hard charging 75 TS through the twisties? Would be hard pressed to keep the 75 honest.
You ready Paul 

[tony8028]

Hi Tony
l saw a nice 75 on carsales- 1991 Champagne silver 219ks for $4200. it looks like a really nice car
Cheers Paul

I think i saw that but I need one in NSW and wasnt that an Auto?

I'd never buy an Auto 75....the whole thing just doesnt make sense!

I am looking at the 164Q tonight so lets see if it pulls the heart strings! Its not drivable at the moment so it will have to sell itself to me on style and that certain feeling you get when you sit in a car and think "i must own this!"

The 33 16V would still be my fav shape and size, but i dont see too many recommends on here for them.

[Joe Garra]

I have to admit the Q is not that quick through twisty bits. I was working hard and struggling to keep up with the 75s on the recent EMR. And one of the cars I do miss was the 75 twin spark. The 33 did nothing for me.

[John Hanslow]

There is a bit of comment on the virtue of the 75 TS as it is acknowledged that they have great handling.

In looking at the 164Q, would it be better to consider the hard to find 75 3lt Potenziata that has a 164 engine ?

You get the ultimate benefits of a 75 RWD and with the powerfull V6.

[tony8028]

a v6 75 would be great, but hard to come buy and i need a daily driver asap.

i am embarrassed to be seen in this saab !

My wife has never driven a manual before so i am a little worried that a 164Q might not be the idea car to learn in....power wise etc!

Also considering this

http://sydney.gumtree.com.au/c-Cars-Vehicles-Motorbikes-Parts-cars-Alfa-Romeo-33-Boxer-Cloverleaf-1991-Model-W0QQAdIdZ204283303