GTV6 Grand Prix build dates

[aggie57]

A scan of my service Coupon Booklet
Looks like the dealership hand wrote additional info onto the sticker noting that it is a red/brown Grand Prix.
The key number is self explanatory but I others I don't know.
The ROAL/AGV code matches yours Steve, so maybe it doesn't relate to trim.

Cheers
Alan

Guys - ROAL/AGV is code for red (ROAL) / velvet beige ( AGV). Code for Red / Black is ROAL/LGV. That's from the factory brochure.

[Rok_Dr]

Interesting Aggie57. That would indicate that the interiors of the black cars were changed after they left the factory, either as a special order at time of sale, or at a later date. Any chance of getting a scan of the Brochure?

However diving into the numbers it looks like we share the same number on the top left of the sticker Michael "161019", vs "113016" for John and Alan. I suspect this number is the body code. Closest match for these (from David Wrights book) is 161.19 for the first series 75 and 113.16 for the last of the leaded GTV6's which is obviously not correct .

With respect to the top right number I am fairly comfortable interpreting it as  a combination the model, GTV6 Grand Prix (6gp) and the last  4 numbers of the chassis number. Does any one disagree?

That so we all have a Grand Prix, and interestingly we have a very narrow range of chassis numbers, as follows
4512 myself (black)
4517 Michael (black)
4527 Alan (tan)
4563 John (tan)

So is there anything in the fact that my and Michaels cars share a number of common traits (early builds and body code?), besides the interior colour? Not enough data at present to draw any conclusions.  Out of curiosity Michael is your grill the same as mine?

Finally John thanks for your list. I can put a tick to everything except interior and grill. Not sure that the engine cam covers are diagnostic, but they certainly relate to later builds.

Cheers

Steve

[grpa9x]

steve,
hi, very well put together post, in regards to the grill mine has the standard gp type (not like yours). I have no objection to the fact that the black trimmed cars maybe a special order, certainly i wont except that they are fakes because of this.
cheers michael

[JOHN G]

Michael What colour is your ECU leather cover?

I don't recall calling your or Steve's car a fake.

I am not like that mate and only on this forum to share info.

When it comes to GP's it's obvious I am the expert in the field LOL

John

[grpa9x]

Michael What colour is your ECU leather cover?

I don't recall calling your or Steve's car a fake.

I am not like that mate and only on this forum to share info.

When it comes to GP's it's obvious I am the expert in the field LOL

John






john,

if you look at alans opening post , this is a gp register, for a bloke who claims "i'm not like that" you spend a fair amount of time telling others there car is'nt what it is, the ecu leather cover is just another example of you trying to discredit our cars. What colour is yours john??
cheers michael

[Rok_Dr]

Thanks Michael

I'll put that little theory on body  codes etc to bed for lack of evidence again....

At the end of the day this is all a bit of a storm in a teacup. What we are debating about is essentially a factory body kit fitted to the last of the series to move them out of the showroom, which for Australia coincided with the introduction of unleaded fuel.

Unlike the GTHO/A9X/E49 world there is no significant financial upside in faking a grand prix, and a look on line will show that condition is a greater determinant of price than the year and model for a GTV6.

I suspect that no more than a 100 or so were sold in Australia, based on our chassis numbers and world wide production.

Also remember that our cars are almost 25 years old and have generally had a number of owners, so the end result is that parts will have changed from being non original, if only to keep them on the road and to suit personal taste.

So to try and draw a line in the sand as to real vs created after the event, I suggest the following, 

1. The Grand Prix was the only GTV6 sold in Australia with an Unleaded Engine (evidence Alan's Quadrifoglio scan earlier and David Wrights Book Alfa Down Under part 2). So a genuine one will have a compliance plate which notes ADR37 Compliance, a small fuel filler neck and be built in 1986. This would be the hardest to fake, and I consider prima face evidence.
2. Documents. The "Australian version catalytic convertor equipped" Supplement and a coupon book with the top right number starting with 6GP followed by the last 4 digits of the chassis number.
2. The Rayton Fissore body kit (Same documentary evidence as point one). The fibre glass bits can be recreated, but I would be looking for the badges behind the front wheel arches (rarer than rocking horse poo now) and the soft black rear spoiler or if missing evidence of the mounting holes on the body.

As for the rest, certainly original stereos, wheels and the like will speak for the originality of the vehicle, but is not a determinant of authenticity, ditto part appearances.

Cheers

Steve

[JOHN G]

Michael you could not be more wrong.

I really could not give a rats ass if your GP is fake or real.

Don't try and start an argument when I am not looking for one.

And where did I spend a fair amount of time trying to tell other's their car isn't what it is?(as you put it)

Michael you really need too read the posts more carefully before posting in the future.

John

[grpa9x]

steve,
another well put together post, this is the quality that i want to read about on this forum, not the other rubbish.
cheers michael

[GoldCLoverLeaf]

Did anyone on this forum buy the GP that was for sale a few months back at a Parrmatta Rd Five Dock dealer?

It was red/tan, decent condition, had a very optomistic asking price of $25k or something radiculous at one stage but the price kept coming down... anyone hear know the car?

[bteoh]

There was one in Sydney on car sales for a while at $11500 but that took a long while to shift... not sure how much it went for eventually??

[aggie57]

Interesting Aggie57. That would indicate that the interiors of the black cars were changed after they left the factory, either as a special order at time of sale, or at a later date. Any chance of getting a scan of the Brochure?

Here you go - it's actually a standard GTV/GTV6 brochure from late '84 but it shows the codes and the colours they applied to.

I also checked the service books from the 2 GTV6's I owned.  The '84 one was red/beige and the booklet is marked ROAL/AGV and the '87 (delivered, '86 build) was red/black and the booklet is marked ROAL/LGV.  Not sure that proves much re. your cars but another piece of information to help or confuse!

Alister

[aggie57]

You may also be interested in this picture.  It was part of an Alfa press kit and shows a beige trimmed GTV6, and as you can see everything from the doors forward is black.  That was as they came from the factory.  The only beige bits were the seats, the door and rear quarter cards, and the trims over the rear wheel arches.
 

[Rok_Dr]

Hi Alister

Many thanks for scanning that and putting it up. V useful information and nice to have some solid facts to clarify things. Certainly looks like that the interior of my car was changed after it left the factory, where and by whom I think will forever remain a mystery though.

On a separate note, while browsing the web this evening I came across this web page of a v nice GTV6 grand prix. I was surprised to see that it like my car also has the earlier grill (with a bigger badge) and as best as can be determined a black interior as well, which has got me intrigued.

I've attached one picture from the page below. Not much information is on the site, which appears to have gone stale around 2005, but it looks like the car has a Victorian registration, owners name at the time was Vince and it was subsequently monstered with a twin turbo installation.

http://www.italianautoclub.com/m-gtv6gp.htm

Does anyone in Vic know of the car and its history?

Cheers Steve

[Nicholas Rossi]

I owned a GTV6 GP with tan interior. It was a great car. I traded it in on an other car at Maryborough Toyota Victoria in about 2002.
I wonder If one of you guys may own it. I believe a young boy bought it in Melbourne.

[grpa9x]

steve,
i also googled that car club, there are youtube videos of that car doing acceleration runs,  i looked at other pics of it and i think it has black trim as well .
cheers michael