What model is this?

[1750GTV]

Engine # as AR00526A*95738. Engine is definitely not original but anyway of knowing from what year it is? Does the VIN # tell us when it was built? I have double checked the engine number as I thought I read somewhere there were no letters in the engine numbers (does that even make sense?) but it definitely is an "A" not a "4".

Emmanuel,

The later 'pollution control' engines had letters in the engine number sequence. My car is a 1970 Series 2 1750GTV and the engine number is AR 00548 F 0177. The engine is original and the only concession to pollution control is the crankcase gas rebreather.

Chris

[EZEE]

Centro Documentazione replied within 24hrs!

According to our documentation files, the chassis number AR 1293439 originally corresponds to an Alfa Romeo GT 1300 Junior RHD (105.31), engine series AR 00530, manufactured on the 26th September 1970 and sold on the 2nd October 1970 to Alfa Romeo Australia, Sydney. The body colour is indigo grey, with amaranth skai interiors.

Sounds lovely - anyone have any pics in their collection of this combination on any 105?

I stuffed the engine numbers up so have resent correct sequence now I hope.

Pancho I had a look underneath today but couldn't take any pix. Looks average to be honest, ok for a daily driver but past repairs weren't the best but will do for now. As for the dealer it was in Five Dock. Body isn't as good as it looks in the photos either but gee, a great shape just the same Have had brakes rebuilt already and getting it ready for rego. Gearbox isn't flash either apparently, I haven't driven it yet but it will need redoing.

Motto is: I have to learn to be patient, "always look underneath" and check the body thoroughly - and get experts to do it!

I am looking fwd to the Spettacolo!

Emmanuel

[Evan Bottcher]

Indigo Grey (or Grigio Indaco): http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/car-restoration/3895-1972-alfa-romeo-color-chart-reference-materials-2.html#post33450

Amaranth skai (leather-like vinyl): http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/car-restoration/3895-1972-alfa-romeo-color-chart-reference-materials-7.html#post33524

That is one of the nicest combos of colour I know - I love silver/grey with red interior.



Not that there's anything wrong with Alfa Red!

[pancho]

Very very interesting that it's a stepnose made in Sept 70, from what I have read the scalino stopped in late 68, early 69.

Last week I saw a 64 GT with a 1750 nose, post factory though.

[Evan Bottcher]

Very very interesting that it's a stepnose made in Sept 70, from what I have read the scalino stopped in late 68, early 69.

My best googling says that the stepnose 1300 Junior continued through 1970.  Changed to the the smooth-nose sometime late 1970 or early 1971.

[EZEE]

Well I am glad it is a step nose "officially".........I think I will keep looking for a more longer term example for the collection, this one wont be worth bringing back to original colour combo I don't think but who knows with time.......

Is it fair to say that many (not all) of the cars that have survived here have somehow managed to be more popular colours or became that way via colour changes? It isn't often you see the more obscure colours around (that is open to interpretation I know) but anecdotedly you see more white, red, blue, silver cars....have I missed any?

I just am interested in solving the engine puzzle now, ALFA says ......."AR 00526 is the 1600 cc of Giulia series (Giulia Super...)...." ........just to know when it was built but I guess that doesn't matter too much....

On another note - is there a strong 105 contigent at the Spettacolo usually?

EZ

[twistybits]

Is it fair to say that many (not all) of the cars that have survived here have somehow managed to be more popular colours or became that way via colour changes? It isn't often you see the more obscure colours around (that is open to interpretation I know) but anecdotedly you see more white, red, blue, silver cars....have I missed any?

This is a beautiful colour combination. I saw a 69gt at Goodwood a few years ago in this exact colour combination and was very taken back. IMO Indigo grey and similar derivatives look fantastic on classic cars. Whilst it is hard to beat Red on any Alfa as an all time classic colour, I suspect some of the more 'obscure' colours will make a comeback and perhaps be quite sort after for there rarity. Giallo Ochra (mustard yellow) seems to be back in vogue at the moment.

[Evan Bottcher]

On another note - is there a strong 105 contigent at the Spettacolo usually?

Yes there's always a large group of 105 coupes, spiders, and sedans at Spettacolo.  I imagine it's the same at the NSW Concorso, and at Auto Italia in Canberra.

[aggie57]

Very very interesting that it's a stepnose made in Sept 70, from what I have read the scalino stopped in late 68, early 69.

Last week I saw a 64 GT with a 1750 nose, post factory though.

The stepnose 1300 GT Junior continued through to 1971 when it was replaced by the smooth nose 1300/1600 GT Junior, paralleling the change from 1750 GTV to 2000 GTV.  

[aggie57]

A couple of pictures from the original sales brochure for this particular model.

[Paul Gulliver]

Thanks for those photo's  Alister. As a 15 y.o in 1970  I remember a friend getting a brand new 1300 junior (I can still recall the rego number KRG 465) from the Alfa dealer, Henley's in Camberwell, . I was still on a push bike, but I said to myself "self " one day you will have one of those. I never ended up with a junior and i had to wait 5 years to get my first Alfa, a series 2 1750 but i was hooked for life. I've always had at least one Alfa in the drive way ever since.

[alfagtv58]

Cool brochure pics, I didnt know the Jnr came with rubber floor mats, not carpet.  Interesting to see the steering wheel, I remember a thread on the BB where there was a debate on which way the 2 spoke wheel should be mounted.

[aggie57]

One of the books I have suggests that they also came standard with some sort of shelf in the back and that the back seat was an option.  Personally I've never seen that and you'd have to wonder it that was a bright idea that never ended up happening. 

But don't the standard seats look good? 

[Paul Newby]

Well I am glad it is a step nose "officially".........I think I will keep looking for a more longer term example for the collection, this one wont be worth bringing back to original colour combo I don't think but who knows with time.......

Is it fair to say that many (not all) of the cars that have survived here have somehow managed to be more popular colours or became that way via colour changes? It isn't often you see the more obscure colours around (that is open to interpretation I know) but anecdotedly you see more white, red, blue, silver cars....have I missed any?

I remember seeing a very original Indigo Grey 2000 GTV with light tan interior many years ago. I thought it looked quite distinctive, but I would also say I was in the minority. I also remember a 2000 GTV in Quarry Beige, which was an interesting colour, better suited to a Guilia Super, I feel.

The reality when it comes to Alfa sports cars is that Alfa Rosso usually wins out over original obscure colours, especially when it comes the time to sell.

I'm lucky that my 2000 GTV is Azzurro Le Mans, a colour that I was told way back was rare, but in reality probably isn't that rare. I suspect most people like the colour and don't change it into Alfa Rosso...

One of the rarer 105 colours is Periwinkle Blue Metallic - popular on Alfettas (like my GT...) but unusual on Australian GTVs. I know of only one 105 GTV that colour.

[pancho]

Very very interesting that it's a stepnose made in Sept 70, from what I have read the scalino stopped in late 68, early 69.

My best googling says that the stepnose 1300 Junior continued through 1970.  Changed to the the smooth-nose sometime late 1970 or early 1971.

You're right abotu sometime in 1970 Evan -this must make this shell one of the last built.

quote from Wikipedia Alfa 105 series Coupes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfa_Romeo_105/115_Series_Coup%C3%A9s

"In 1970 the Junior was revised a second time, and received the same nose treatment as the 1750 GTV, without the step but with only two headlights."