Improved Valve Springs

Started by falconzappa, March 02, 2017, 04:36:51 AM

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falconzappa

Hi All,

My Tbi have 270hp and 400nm.

Do you have a recommendation (link to buy)for a improved valve springs? I have been advised by my mechanic to replace those I have with stronger ones

Thanks in advanced for your help.





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bazzbazz

First of all, WHO is your Mechanic? Is he an Alfa Specialist, and WHY does he recommend new valve springs?

Baz
On The Spot Alfa
Mobile Alfa Romeo Diagnostic/Repair/Maintenance/Service
Brisbane/Gold Coast
0405721613
onthespotalfa@iinet.net.au

falconzappa

Quote from: bazzbazz on March 02, 2017, 10:21:05 AM
First of all, WHO is your Mechanic? Is he an Alfa Specialist, and WHY does he recommend new valve springs?

Baz
Hi,

Yes he is a AR specialist,and a lot of AR are been treated in his garage.

Well the pressure under 270hp is different and he claim that valve springs need to be stronger at this case.

Benjamin


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kaleuclint

Quote from: falconzappa on March 02, 2017, 04:36:51 AM
My Tbi have 270hp and 400nm.
Must be some AR mechanic!  How did he get that out of a TBi?
2011 159ti 1750TBi

bazzbazz

That's 200kw to the metric impaired.
On The Spot Alfa
Mobile Alfa Romeo Diagnostic/Repair/Maintenance/Service
Brisbane/Gold Coast
0405721613
onthespotalfa@iinet.net.au

falconzappa

Quote from: bazzbazz on March 03, 2017, 01:29:30 PM
That's 200kw to the metric impaired.

That's a bit of squeezing that we did on the dyno


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kaleuclint

#6
That's well beyond software /induction / exhaust.  So you are running a bigger turbocharger??
2011 159ti 1750TBi

poohbah

So how can I get 200kW out of my naturally aspirated 2.5L V6? (Without turbo/super charging)
Now:    2002 156 GTA
            1981 GTV
Before: 1999 156 V6 Q-auto
            2001 156 V6 (sadly cremated)

Mick A


poohbah

Booooo! I've already spent far too much just keeping the buggers mobile...
Now:    2002 156 GTA
            1981 GTV
Before: 1999 156 V6 Q-auto
            2001 156 V6 (sadly cremated)

falconzappa

Quote from: kaleuclint on March 03, 2017, 05:07:00 PM
That's well beyond software /induction / exhaust.  So you are running a bigger turbocharger??

Stage 2 from revlimit http://www.revlimit.gr/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=583:alfa-romeo-159-1-75tbi-200hp-stage-1-2&catid=448&lang=el&Itemid=150

I have added the colombo and bariani camshafts as well with intercooler , pipe system and etc

I have been offered to change the current turbo to a precision turbo model and to map the ecu again,but I'm afraid for the M32 gearbox issues and clutch...


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kaleuclint

That was going to be my next query.  The M32 is rated for 320Nm as you know and it's already the weakest point in the drivetrain (not that torque is the problem there). 

So the cam manufacturer can't refer you to a source of valve springs?

You've probably hit the limit for what I am always conscious remains a quite small 1.75 litre engine without replacing the equally small turbocharger.  And then the gearbox problem raises its head again.

I love my TBi power but I just wish they'd made it a 2.0 litre like the Guilia. 
2011 159ti 1750TBi

Cool Jesus

Quote from: falconzappa on March 04, 2017, 10:05:19 AM
Stage 2 from revlimit

I have added the colombo and bariani camshafts as well with intercooler , pipe system and etc

Holy Chit, that's a huge power gain just on software upgrading and an exhaust! How about some pictures on the upgrades Falconzappa?

How do you find the CB camshafts? I've come across them in my researching for upgrades, no real reviews from end users. Haven't check yet, but surely there'd be some Busso V6 springs that would be close to specs for the 1750? 147 GTAs get a lot of perfprmance mods, surely there's something there. Don't forget, although the 4C engine has its differences, there may be interchangable parts such as uprated valve springs. A quick search showed up plenty on the 4C http://live.alfaworkshop.co.uk/synergy/4C.php#firstPage
Present:
* '76 Alfetta GTAm 2.0 (project)
* '03 147 2.0 TS
*'12 159 Ti 1750 TBi
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Past:
* '10 159 2.2 JTS
* '89 164 3.0
* '98 Spider 2.0 TS