Clutch Failure

Started by Colin Byrne, May 20, 2012, 08:45:15 PM

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Colin Byrne

On the Last corner of the Last stage of the last day of Targa we got a big bang and then a bad vibration through the driveline.  My first thought was driveshaft, but when we pulled up the vibration was still there and on take off there was a some bad shuddering so we figured it was the cltuch.  Well the car got to the finish line and we had more pressing things to worry about (mostly getting a beer).  The car then drove back from Hobart to Luanceston, then from melbourne to Paul's workshop in Berwick, the vibration did not get any better!.

This arvo i had a spare hour so i ripped the gearbox out and pulled the pressure plate off.  The photo's tell the full story, 2 out of the 3 flex plates and broken all the way through, and the third one was holding on by the skin of it's teeth.  This was a brand new Sachs pressure plate that had the rivets drilled and and unbrako bolts added, including adding a 3rd bolt.  Looks like i might have to upgrade to a Porsch one next ?

Also managed to wear nearly 1.4mm off the Kevlar reinforced friction plate, so it's pretty much time for a new one, turns out 8 hard starts a day with a close ratio geabox comes at a cost!
72' 105 2000 GTV Red (tarmac rally/race car)
74' 105 2000 GTV Blue (road car)
68' 105 1600 Giulia Super White (Not sure yet)
01' Nissan Pathfinder (Tow car/Alfa support vehicle)

McAnnik

   PM sent. I may have the answer, then again, maybe not!!!!.....Regards......Ian

Colin Byrne

Hi guys,
Well I couldn't find any great solution to my clutch issues without going to a full AP paddle racing clutch setup but with all the road driving we have to do during rallies I really wanted to keep a more standard setup (not to mention the cost!)
   So here are a couple of photo's of my first attempt at a solution.  The tags originally failed as the couldn't handle the torque so I've added 3 sets of steel "fingers" that are bolted to the cover plate and slide up and down in a slot that I machined into the drive plate.  These fingers should now take the majority of the torque and take the load of the spring tags.
   Still need to get all balanced before I can put it back in the car, hopefully have it finished so I can test it out at the island in a couple of weeks.
72' 105 2000 GTV Red (tarmac rally/race car)
74' 105 2000 GTV Blue (road car)
68' 105 1600 Giulia Super White (Not sure yet)
01' Nissan Pathfinder (Tow car/Alfa support vehicle)

Colin Byrne

quick update, got the clutch balanced during the week (almost not required based on the tiny amount of material removed) and managed to take it for a test drive on Saturday, all seems good, I thought there may be some knocking of the new steel "Fingers" resisting the torque of the drive drive plate but it was completely silent and the clutch engauges/dis-engauges perfectly,  all ready for a good thrashing at the island on Saturday, can't wait!
72' 105 2000 GTV Red (tarmac rally/race car)
74' 105 2000 GTV Blue (road car)
68' 105 1600 Giulia Super White (Not sure yet)
01' Nissan Pathfinder (Tow car/Alfa support vehicle)

Colin Byrne

After a very cold, wet and windy day (but lots of fun) at the island the clutch appeared to work very well.

And finally after about 10 years of trying I managed to crack the 2 min barrier in a 105 with a time of 1:58.8. Considering the conditions pretty happy with that!
72' 105 2000 GTV Red (tarmac rally/race car)
74' 105 2000 GTV Blue (road car)
68' 105 1600 Giulia Super White (Not sure yet)
01' Nissan Pathfinder (Tow car/Alfa support vehicle)

Frank Musco

Congratulations on breaking the 2 minutes.