Selespeed reving in 1st

[jimay3677]

Hi everyone, I was in denial for a while but a definitely have selespeed issues on my new 2002 JTS

FYI I have adjusted the clutch rod to 28.3 (should I get it closer to 28?)
Pump comes on for about 5 seconds when the door is opened, according to MES the pressure is 55 and slowly drops to around 44 the the pump kicks in after 5 minutes or so.
The pump activates on every 2-3 gear shift when just changing gears with engine off.
I've done the EOL calibration plus the clutch self learning calibration. Everything says it's within limits and runs without error.
I do have 11 on the lever request fault counter.

The issue is that occasionally when either manually or automatically shifting into first the car will just rev, you can upshift to 2nd and go or you can shift into N then back into 1st, sometimes the gearbox alert comes on some times it doesn't.  This mainly happens pulling into our slanted driveway but has also been happening at random level intersections. I've connected MES after this happens and can find no fault codes.

Does anyone have any idea's? I have 3 year warranty at the Ford dealer (up to $2000) but I'd like to go in armed with some info to help out the mechanics .

Thanks.

[jimay3677]

Hmm, just did some more tests.

pressure drops down from 56 to 44bar in about 3 minutes or on every second gear change.

So it could be the accumulator or a leak somewhere?

[jimay3677]

OK, selespeed oil level isn't changing and is still where it was in November.

I have now worked out how to reproduce the problem consistently.

Basically if I shift quickly 4-3-2-1 it will free rev in 1st and the gearbox light will flash, I can hear the pump operating so if I shift to N then back to 1 I can go.

This was happening to my wife more because I have a tendancy to shift from 4th to 3rd then indicate then 2nd then 1st so obviously this is just enough time for the pressure to build 90% of the time. My wife indicates then shift down all at once.

I've booked it in to Ford on Monday, I will just tell them what I'm 95% sure the problem is and give them the part number.

[Craig147]

Hi mate, sounds like you've nailed the issue but I really doubt the Ford dealer will have the software \ nous to fix this properly, maybe talk to them & have a specialist fix it at thier cost?

[jimay3677]

Hi Craig, the extended warranty is sort of a curse in a way.
I'm stuck taking it to a dealer who doesn't know much about Alfa's and will most likely not have the required software (I'm tempted to leave my diagnostic laptop with them so they have MES)
I've been debating with my wife whether to just buy the accumulator which I can get from the UK for $165 shipped or take it in for the warranty.

I'd much rather just cough up the $165 but it's not worth being in the dog house lol..

[colcol]

I would cut my losses and take it to an Alfa Romeo Service Provider, and have it fixed properly, i doubt whether a Ford dealer would have a clue, so you are going to be stuffed around, and the car might let you down and you will be stranded.
If your Selespeed stops working when your Finance Minister is driving, you will most likely be spending a long time in the doghouse, my 2 cents worth, Colin.

[jimay3677]

I'll take it in on Monday and see what the dealer says.
If they agree it's the accumulator and will fix it for free then I'll do that but if it seems it's going to be a stuff around I'll just order the part and fit it myself.

[wankski]

how have you concluded accumulator if it is maintaining pressure and allowing you to shift?

i think your car is beyond 80k kms, and the clutch is slipping or the clutch actuator is on it's way out.

[jimay3677]

Because from many searchs I've done the pressure should hold longer than 3 minutes. If it were the clutch it would be slipping all the time (or more frequently) in first not just when down shifting quickly. It never free revs if you downshift slowly.

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[jimay3677]

Also it won't go anywhere in first until you shift to n and back or go to second after the pump stops.
Another thing is that if I floor it and change at high revs the clutch bites no problem at all between gears, if it were slipping it should slip at high revs between other gears. The only time it free revs is when you come up to an intersection and quickly change 4-3-2-1, if you change 4-3 indicate - 2-1 it doesn't happen.

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[wankski]

ah, i see... i took 'free revving' on the driveway incline to mean slipping.

it's odd that the pressure is only affecting 1st gear - altho maybe i am mistaking what you mean by 'free-revving'...

normally when there is a pressure issue you are simply stuck in gear, or the system flicks you back into N.

anyway - hope your problem is solved easily - please report back findings - all helps!

g/l

[jimay3677]

I hope I'm on the right track then lol

[jimay3677]

Bugger. They're sending me to the nearest alfa dealer which is around 45 minutes away. I hope this isn't a common occurrence

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[colcol]

Sending you to the nearest Alfa Dealer which is 45 minutes away, is most likely the best outcome, you will have a mechanic that works on selespeeds, as opposed to a Falcon mechanic, like if you had a Falcon, you wouldn't want an Alfa Romeo mechanic fixing it, would you?, Colin.

[jimay3677]

I rekon an alfa mechanic may take better care of a falcon

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