barn find!

[alfamisa]

Didn't see any flares on the cars though Col, pretty sure that's not allowed.

Flares are allowed. And they all have them.

How else could they fit 18" x 13" wide wheels under the Bentley? Not tubbed as this is fronts too. In the case of the Bentley the flares are less obvious because they shaped the front to match the width of the fared guard. You can do this when it already looks like the front of a bus.









What any of this has to do with barn find beats me.

[Sheldon McIntosh]

What any of this has to do with barn find beats me.

Me too, but I got back from the event last night, was reading through this thread and people were talking about the 12hr, just thought I might contribute.

Thanks for the clarification on the flares too, the bodywork mods are slightly difficult to see from 50m away, when you're concentrating on the glowing exhaust and the incredible speed they carry, and without a standard car to compare them to.

How else could they fit 18" x 13" wide wheels under the Bentley?

Fair call.  I've actually got a front wheel from one of the Lambos from last year at home. The sheer size of it is mind-boggling, and then you remember it's only the front wheel....

Cheers

[carlo rossi]

Well news update..... on the GTR ,well it is for me I thought it was the 3.8 ltr v6 twin turbo as did most of us  until  that last second drag race walking past the R8 and strolling past the Bentley Bent 8 ( bent8ly) which was the peoples choice .
In fact the GTR was running its full Le Mans car LMP which boasts  a twin turbo 6.4ltr v8
Yep thats not an error and I got the info from a scrutineer.It was legal to run in the AA class
but really it was in class of its own, congratulations go to Renault F1 for the motor (nismolt) and Nissan for the body. ""Nissan heading to Le Mans with 1,250-hp GT-R LM Nism"" quote from Drive feb 2 2015

[Sheldon McIntosh]

In fact the GTR was running its full Le Mans car LMP which boasts  a twin turbo 6.4ltr v8
Yep thats not an error and I got the info from a scrutineer.It was legal to run in the AA class
but really it was in class of its own, congratulations go to Renault F1 for the motor (nismolt) and Nissan for the body. ""Nissan heading to Le Mans with 1,250-hp GT-R LM Nism"" quote from Drive feb 2 2015

Yeah mate, I think that is an error.  The Nissan LMP has a 3.0 V6 TT, and it's 1250 bhp figure is helped along by a KERS system. The 3.0 V6 provides about 500bhp, and the KERS the rest.  Are you suggesting they also put the KERS system in the GTR?   If your 'scrutineer' can't tell a V6 from a V8 (or find a KERS system somewhere in the car), I'm not sure I'd be trusting much else he had to say.  And if they DID have the LMP engine (without KERS), they'd be down over 100bhp on the cars they 'strolled' past, or it's actual 3.8 V6.

Full details on the Nissan LMP car here (and disregarding this thread, it's a fascinating read about a truly revolutionary racecar)......  http://www.racer.com/wec-le-mans/item/113077-pruett-inside-the-nissan-gt-r-lm-nismo-lmp1-program?showall=1&limitstart=#!Nissan_GT_R_LM_NISMO_LMP1_by_Marshall_Pruett_6

[carlo rossi]

NO its not !!!
the facts a standard GTR is a twin turbo 3.8 not 3.0 ltr
b) it you look up final positions on the official site it has their capacities
Guess what 6.459 !!! results below
1   35   NISMO Athlete Global Team   F.Strauss/K.Chiyo/W.Reip   Nissan GT-R NISMO GT   6459   AA   269   12:00:11.0280   2:03.9769   14
2   15   Phoenix Racing   M.Mapelli/L.Vanthoor/M.Winkelhock   Audi R8-LMS Ultra 20   5200   AP   269   12:00:13.4809   2:03.3091R   29
3   97   Craft Bamboo Racing   D.O'Young/A.MacDowall/S.Mucke   Aston Martin Vantage   5955   AP   269   12:00:13.8296   2:04.4514   94
4   10   Bentley Team M-Sport   G.Smith/S.Kane/M.Bell   Bentley Continental   3994   AP   269   12:00:14.8101   2:05.1808   15
5   36   Erebus Motorsport   J.LeBrocq/R.Muscat/D.Canto   Mercedes SLS AMG GT3   6200   AP   269   12:00:14.9710   2:04.5607   93

[carlo rossi]

I was surprised as anyone, still hard to believe could the official list be wrong and the guy I met at the coffee shop lieing about being a scrutineer although he also said he and his cousin did race a GT falcon in bathurst in the 70s
but then I found this

The f 1 they refer too is from renault

The 2016 Nissan GT-R will produce 600kW from its F1-inspired hybrid powertrain, if a report in a Japanese magazine is to be believed.
Read more at http://www.caradvice.com.au/278080/2016-nissan-gt-r-to-produce-600kw-from-f1-style-hybrid-system-report/#7SRMMoFLxMjC88CA.99s

[Sheldon McIntosh]

NO its not !!!
the facts a standard GTR is a twin turbo 3.8 not 3.0 ltr

No shit?  Wow, if you read my post you might find that was exactly what I said.  Read it carefully mate, maybe even a few times if you need to.   Don't accuse me of getting the facts wrong because you can't comprehend written English.  That makes me angry.


If I were you, I'd do some research before believing what a "scutineer in the coffee shop" says.  Even if he did race a GT Falcon.  Did you get his name?  I'm sure we could check if he did actually race a GT Falcon at Bathurst.  Also, I have the programme from the 12 hour this year, which lists all the scrutineers, happy to check his name off for you.

As for the rest of it.  I don't even need to bother.  Seriously dude, I'm sure you're a fine chap, but do some research, get your facts straight, before you post unsubstantiated rubbish on the internet. 

[carlo rossi]

So Maybe you should read what i put up ( without anger) or should we try it in latin perhaps
'
1   35   NISMO Athlete Global Team   F.Strauss/K.Chiyo/W.Reip   Nissan GT-R NISMO GT   6459   AA   269   12:00:11.0280   2:03.9769   14

there it is again  note the number after..." GT 6459 AA " its in the results section if you think its made up thats the capacity.
its a clear cut and paste from the official site go to news and look up official results
and as I said its hard to believe, still I cant help to think its an error!
But of course you cant read that because you couldnt possibly consider another outcome, you really are a sheldon
and that scrutineer was David. C  Ill ask if I can post his full name and car .He also said when they ( father and son ) stuck their heads under the hood of the Nissan they said it had eight cylinders

again Ive not seen it and Neither have you  But unlike others I dont judge people without reason or proof ' it was just an observation as Im trying to understand how at that point of a race it could do what it did and if its a 3.8 twin T that makes all the more affordable
the truth is out there
signed leonard

[Neil Choi]

Here is some maths for you.  3.8 x 1.7 = 6.46.

[Evan Bottcher]

Here is some maths for you.  3.8 x 1.7 = 6.46.

You must be a scientist.

[obersturm]

HOLY MOTHER OF ALL o.t. DRIFTING THREADS!!!!

ALL I WANT TO KNOW IS HOW MUCH POWER IS THE KERS PUMPING OUT?

[carlo rossi]

Thanks Neil but Im sorry I dont follow the reason for 1.7 multiple? is this a kers calc?

[Neil Choi]

No need to be sorry.

It is generally known for a force induced engine, to multiply the engine capacity by 1.7 to equate it to a normally aspirated engine.

So the Bathurst GTR is a 3.8L V6 TT Nismo special, but published as a 6.46L.

It is not a 6.46L V8 TT which DOES NOT exist.

The LMP is a 3.0L V6 TT with KERS, very special and it ain't going to be in a GTR.

The Bentley is published as a 4L but it is turbo charged.  So it should have been published as 6.78L. 

Seems a bit of inconsistency in publishing the engine capacity details.

[carlo rossi]

thanks for that ,So it is a sort of mistake because none of the other turbos used that formula just the nissan .But the quandry then exists for DAVID C who claims it had 8 Cyl
Im going to talk to his son he doesnt need glasses'
cheers and thanks again
Ps neil I would like to club race my alfa havent had a cams lic for over 20 years ? What to do

[Sheldon McIntosh]

thanks for that ,So it is a sort of mistake because none of the other turbos used that formula just the nissan

Not all, but obviously the person entering the data wasn't having a good day.

The Bentleys are listed at 3994cc, but they have a turbo.
The BMW 335i has the formula applied, it's listed as 5064cc.  3.0 turbo, x 1.7
Audi TT is listed at 2500, but that's a 2.5 turbo.
McLaren is listed at 3800, but that's a 3.8 turbo
The rotaries have had their formula applied, 2.0 but listed at 3434cc

There is no way the Nissan was running this mythical V8.  The cars are homologated, and you can't change anything.  There is also a Balance of Performance applied, to ensure that all the GT3 cars are as equal as possible.  Weight is added, restrictors applied etc.   Myself and Phil, who have been to the last 3 12-hrs, were amazed at the speed of the Audi and Lambo this year across the top of the mountain.  Last year they were visibly slower then the Ferrari and AMG.  The BoP works brilliantly to ensure equality in the field.

And, there is a reason the Nissan was able to pass the 2 cars in front of him on the penultimate lap.  Great driving.  Chiyo read the re-start better than the Audi, was able to jump him there, with metres to spare.  And because of that he was right in the slipstream of the Bentley up Mountain Straight, perfect position to pass Bell.  Watch it again, through Hell Corner he's right on the Bentleys bumper.

And what is this supposed to mean?

But of course you cant read that because you couldnt possibly consider another outcome, you really are a sheldon