1972 ALFA ROMEO - LOCAL DELIVERY

[giuliasuper]

Hi Everyone.

I'm looking at purchasing a 1972 spider at present. I asked the owner whether the car was a local delivery and he wasn't sure. The one thing in his mind that created doubt for both of us were the presence of rectangular body indicator lenses rather than the small round ones that I'm a little familiar with.

Anyone thoughts on this would be much appreciated.

Thanks
Derek

[SimonR]

That sounds like an ex US left hand drive car now converted to RHD. Heaps of these here, some conversions of dubious quality. Just depends if you want original RHD or not fussed either way.

[Craig_m67]

Email the VIN to Alfa (address in here somewhere), they will confirm age, colour and original delivery/point of sale.  As Simon says though, sounds like a US import, pics would help

Nowt wrong with a US car, its still italian, they do have a few changes specific to US design regs dependent on year of manufacture. It may need proof of engineering certificates (and perhaps VIN) to ensure rego in other states and could be harder to insure - so bargain harder than an Aust delivered version of similar quality.

I have 156 personal import, the paperwork required is easy enough, was confusing at first though and has to be retained with the vehicle.

[Cool Jesus]

I agree, send Marco  shocks details and ask for manufacture details where it was shipped.
He's fantastic with responses. Got an answer from him within 2 hours on Tuesday. Marco Fazio at centrodocumentazione@alfaromeo.com

[Cool Jesus]

Actually, just had a thought. If it was a US spec car it would have had SPICA injection. I'm fairly certain they were shipped out by that date. (i could be wrong, havent got my literature with me)  If its been changed to carbs have a look at the crank pulley and see if there's a toothed drive between the pulley and the engine. Also there would be federal emissions labels somewhere in the engine bay and dependent on the state it may have a catalytic converter under the car with an exhaust warning light on dash. A photo would help a little.

[Paul Newby]

The 2000 Spider was introduced in Australia in late 1972.

I don't know the 105 type designation - the 2000 GTV is 105 22 for right hand drive. Australian engines would be prefixed as 0512****

All American 2000 Spiders (and GTVs) are 115 series. I'm not sure that the chassis would have a 115 number, but there might be a separate plate or green sticker.

Australian 2000 GTV chassis numbers started at 241 and I think the Spider might be 248 or similar.

And of course an Australian delivered car would have an Australian compliance plate with the month and year of compliance.

[Craig_m67]

Compliance plates (for ADRs) didn't start until sometime in the late 60's.
Our '66 Duetto doesn't have one and has been registered (on and off) without question.

Anybody know when they appeared, I googled for the trivia but failed

[giuliasuper]

Thanks everyone for your thoughts. Much appreciated!

I've emailed Italy to get the details on the car. The other thing that looks a little odd (indicating an imported LHD vehicle) is that the wipers swing first to the left as you sit in the car. I'd have thought that this was the wrong way for an Australian import. Wrong again?

Derek

[giuliasuper]

Ooh another thought and question please.....

Car carriers. Any suggestions as to recommended door to door carriers. If things work well and I decide to purchase the car I'm probably going to need to get the car transported from Newcastle to Melbourne. No time to drive it back

Any thoughts?

Thanks again

Derek

[giuliasuper]

Ok. That was quick. The information on the red spider I'm interested in is as follows!!!

According to our documentation files, the chassis number AR 3040694 originally corresponds to an Alfa Romeo 2000 Spider Veloce USA (115.02), manufactured on the 7th August 1972 and sold on the 22nd August 1972 to Alfa Romeo Englewood Cliffs, USA.

The body colour is English green, with black tex interiors.

Realistically what impact is there on retail value for the car to be imported and have it's original colouring altered?

Thanks once more

Derek

[giuliasuper]

And here's the car. It's a bit different I know!!

[giuliasuper]

BUMP - Sorry to push........ but is there any thoughts on the interstate transport question?

Thanks
Derek

[Cool Jesus]

Derek, just do a google search on vehicle transportation or shipping and you should be able to get an idea on price with some companies there and then, you'll find some prefer to call you back ( no doubt for the big sell). There's too many variables to give you a ball park figutre to your question. I was looking at a vehicle (driveable) to be collected just outside melbourne for delivery to a nominated address in Sydney at about $750 on a quick search. The spider is larger than what I was looking at, is it driveable?, your distance is a little further too. I'd imagine you'd be looking upwards of my figure. But I've yet to use a carrier, so can't give a recommendation.

On another note, how good is Marco's service!!! Make sure he's on your christmas card list...

[Cool Jesus]

Impact on retail value of vehilce. Again, its a subjetcive veiw on price. Realisticallly it can't be claimed to be original. As far as negotiating a price, you'd have a lot of leverage on how well the changes were executed. As you indicated, the wipers are wrong, nor sure, but I don't think their would be a rego issue with a '72 vehicle. then look at all the left to right hand drive changes, like stearing, dash, pedals. Is the car registered? A vehilce history check wouldn't hurt, its only $18 on PPSR website. Then weight up the price to how bad you want a spider  (+shipping )

[giuliasuper]

Hi again everyone.

Having ascertained that you can fly to Newcastle from Melbourne for $89, I'm now thinking of driving this car back. The only issue is that the owner has a number of parts, including 4 original wheels that obviously wont fit in the boot! I'm looking at options for transporting these items back to Melbourne? Have any of you undertaken this exercise before with outcomes worth sharing or is this simply a yellow pages/internet search?

Thanks again

Derek